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[spirantho]

I am afraid you are ill-informed. Long-term availability is a crucial concern for many industrial and embedded applications so numerous companies sell x86 mainboards with a guarantueed minimum production life of 5 years.

For example, Kontron sell Mini-ITX mainboards that are compatible with Intel i3, i5, and i7 processors and they advertize up to 7 years of availability after release. These type of mainboards are very similar to consumer mainboards but generally use better components and are specifically designed to last.

It should be noted, though, that a quick Google search suggests these boards start at about £280 including VAT, much more than an equivalently specced "normal" motherboard.
If A-Eon or Amigakit were to use these, they'd have people complaining about having to use years-old x86 motherboards when there are much cheaper brand-new ones out there.

Either way, they can't please everybody, so better to do what they are doing I think - make a design decision (i.e. custom PPC motherboards) and stick to it. Better than to keep changing direction.

[nicholas]

I don't know why you bring OS4.2 into it, this isn't some kind of battle of the OS'.

Olaf said that "ARIX shows that it is possible to use Linux as base for driver support.".  The point is that without ARIX being out in the wild it does not and can prove or show anything.
People have to be able to see something to be shown.  Do you understand?

No one has been shown OS4.2 and its vapor "SMP", not even a description of how it might work as a concept (unlike ARIX) but you still believe.

[nicholas]

he propably means that not everything is supported. That is true (even the case on Linux) but for that you create custom build sytems using supported parts. That is already possible with Aros.

Just like the X1000 and OS4, so for anyone to try and make people believe otherwise is disingenuous at best.

[nicholas]

It should be noted, though, that a quick Google search suggests these boards start at about £280 including VAT, much more than an equivalently specced "normal" motherboard.
If A-Eon or Amigakit were to use these, they'd have people complaining about having to use years-old x86 motherboards when there are much cheaper brand-new ones out there.

Either way, they can't please everybody, so better to do what they are doing I think - make a design decision (i.e. custom PPC motherboards) and stick to it. Better than to keep changing direction.

They could always tie OS4 to used Intel Macs.

[spirantho]

Several beta-testers I believe are running the new kernel, but they're all under NDA, so you don't hear about it.

It's not vapour, though - it's just not out yet.

[spirantho]

They could always tie OS4 to used Intel Macs.

An interesting suggestion I suspect they will choose to ignore.

[Everblue]

It should be noted, though, that a quick Google search suggests these boards start at about £280 including VAT, much more than an equivalently specced "normal" motherboard.
If A-Eon or Amigakit were to use these, they'd have people complaining about having to use years-old x86 motherboards when there are much cheaper brand-new ones out there.
changing direction.

Yeah, they will complain anyway, so let's use £1500 boards instead!

[nicholas]

Several beta-testers I believe are running the new kernel, but they're all under NDA, so you don't hear about it.

It's not vapour, though - it's just not out yet.

I've used ARIX since the middle of last year and I'm not even under NDA.

[nicholas]

An interesting suggestion I suspect they will choose to ignore.

Nah, they'll release it 5yrs too late like they did with the Pegasos II port if their track record is anything to go by.

[OlafS3]

I've used ARIX since the middle of last year and I'm not even under NDA.

all who want to betatest it now have to sign a NDA. When I read it I thought after signing the NDA you are propably even not allowed to say that you signed a NDA :-).

It is existing but it does not look different to Aros. So even if there would be a video on youtube showing it booting people could still say it is Aros. And that is not untrue :-).

I see no reason to doubt that the concept works, otherwise why publishing the graphic. And there was a interesting discussion on amigaworld where the main kernel developer explained the concept.

[nicholas]

all who want to betatest it now have to sign a NDA. When I read it I thought after signing the NDA you are propably even not allowed to say that you signed a NDA :-).

It is existing but it does not look different to Aros. So even if there would be a video on youtube showing it booting people could still say it is Aros. And that is not untrue :-).

I see no reason to doubt that the concept works, otherwise why publishing the graphic. And there was a interesting discussion on amigaworld where the main kernel developer explained the concept.

I really haven't signed an NDA yet I still use it and have done so for over 6 months.

[Rob]

No one has been shown OS4.2 and its vapor "SMP", not even a description of how it might work as a concept (unlike ARIX) but you still believe.

I guess you didn't understand the point then.  

With regard to OS4.2 I haven't claimed that it proves multicore slots neatly into AmigaOS, to be truthful I will remain sceptical about whether or not it will work until I see it.  Please try to see past the hostile fanboi stereotype that I exist as in your mind.

Anyway since you say that you have had ARIXfor the past 6 months, does it boot on every x86 system you've tried, and are you no longer stuck with glitchy video modes on certain video hardware.
Is the concept a reality?

[Iggy]

I guess you didn't understand the point then.  

With regard to OS4.2 I haven't claimed that it proves multicore slots neatly into AmigaOS, to be truthful I will remain sceptical about whether or not it will work until I see it.  Please try to see past the hostile fanboi stereotype that I exist as in your mind.

Anyway since you say that you have had ARIXfor the past 6 months, does it boot on every x86 system you've tried, and are you no longer stuck with glitchy video modes on certain video hardware.
Is the concept a reality?

I'm not sure I understand your point.
Does OS4.2 boot on any PPC hardware?
Is it free from glitches?
"hostile fanboi stereotype", yep you fit that.
Did you know that Nik has used OS4 in the past?

I thought about it myself, but only so I could play around with A-eon's neat hardware.

[nicholas]

I'm not sure I understand your point.
Does OS4.2 boot on any PPC hardware?
Is it free from glitches?
"hostile fanboi stereotype", yep you fit that.
Did you know that Nik has used OS4 in the past?

I thought about it myself, but only so I could play around with A-eon's neat hardware.

I still do use OS4 Jim, though because I believe both MorphOS and AROS to be superior to it (but for different reasons) for many people this makes anything I have to say on the matter irrelevant.

OS4 users aren't allowed to discuss it's shortcomings in public for fear of being tarred and feathered as a traitor.

[Iggy]

I still do use OS4 Jim, though because I believe both MorphOS and AROS to be superior to it (but for different reasons) for many people this makes anything I have to say on the matter irrelevant.

OS4 users aren't allowed to discuss it's shortcomings in public for fear of being tarred and feathered as a traitor.

Confusing isn't it?
Campaign to help them get a decent browser.
Try to offer some kind of laurel branch.
Get your hand bit off if your sound the least bit critical.

[nicholas]

I guess you didn't understand the point then.  

Genrally when people say "Your point is?" it's because they do not understand the point you are failing to make, yes.

With regard to OS4.2 I haven't claimed that it proves multicore slots neatly into AmigaOS

Hyperion and it's various paid and unaid mouthpieces are liars?

to be truthful I will remain sceptical about whether or not it will work until I see it.  Please try to see past the hostile fanboi stereotype that I exist as in your mind.

Your words Rob.

Anyway since you say that you have had ARIXfor the past 6 months, does it boot on every x86 system you've tried, and are you no longer stuck with glitchy video modes on certain video hardware.
Is the concept a reality?

1. Yes.
2. Never had nor heard of that problem before you montioned it.  Seing as most about else who has used ARIX is under NDA - therefore cannot mention anything - are you sure you aren't just making that up?
3. Yes.