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Re: Odyssey Web Browser for AmigaOS & AROS, *DONATE NOW*!
« Reply #59 on: December 13, 2013, 01:16:24 AM »
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Who is Timothy D on the list?




[SIZE=8]-Timmy![/SIZE][/B]

:cool: ;)

No seriously, I have no idea...

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« Reply #60 on: December 13, 2013, 07:52:41 AM »
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First of all... if you include the 68k community you have a lot more than 1000 people, I think there are a lot more than all "NG" supporters combined, of course many using emulation instead of hardware. And there are certainly people that do not like AmigaOS or Hyperion. But the majority is simply not interested in AmigaOS running on PPC.

So simple summarize... OWB is not running on 68k and will propably not run in future. We tried to motivate the AROS devs to port OWB (the version of Fab) to port it to AROS 68k and Jason tried but did not succeed. Most of the AROS NG devs are not interested in 68k. So at least for now not interesting for 68k fans. MorphOS user already have it. Some donate because they use both systems but that is certainly a minority. So it is realistic only interesting for AmigaOS and AROS user. And for that it is a huge bounty. Look at Magellan bounty. It was virtually interesting for all platforms and was a lot lower than this bounty and did not reach the amount after a long time (I think it was more than 6 months). And it makes no sense to moan that 68k fans do not donate to a AmigaOS bounty if you cannot offer them something for their money. The amount was too high in my view (regardless if you think it is worth the money or not). If Fab wants the money shortly he can decide it is enough donation (what happened with the Magellan bounty) or has to wait till the money is there (even if it needs for example one year). Or he does not care about money and if and when the bounty sum is collected. I cannot judge that.

I have one theory... people (devs) have learned that AmigaOS fans spend virtually every sum for their hobby so if AmigaOS is involved the sum is automatically going up. It is a kind of market (on a low level of course).

I am sure you are aware that even if the community is composed of 1000 people only and every single person just donated five dollars this bounty would have being closed already and the port would have taken effect. You understand my point then..is that due to the fact only 120 people donated show a huge lack of interest from the entire community. Five dollars is not too much from everyone even if it is Christmas time. Then the real question...why the lack of interest?

Is it that people complain they want this and that...but do not want to put any input on it? Or just like ordering free pizza to be delivered to your home without you paying for it..or contributing? Or the thought of donating makes the person shiver from the inside out...or everyone is hoping the other would donate and somehow it will be available for him without him putting any effort? Am I getting warm?
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Re: Odyssey Web Browser for AmigaOS & AROS, *DONATE NOW*!
« Reply #61 on: December 13, 2013, 12:31:52 PM »
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[SIZE=8]-Timmy![/SIZE][/B]

:cool: ;)

No seriously, I have no idea...

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« Reply #62 on: December 13, 2013, 09:42:39 PM »
maybe most of the people having a nextgen Amiga just use it for fun and not as a primary system (as I do and writing these lines at the moment) so ultimately, they dont care because their browser (and everything else) needs are filled by their primary system ?
 

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« Reply #63 on: December 13, 2013, 10:22:37 PM »
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maybe most of the people having a nextgen Amiga just use it for fun and not as a primary system (as I do and writing these lines at the moment) so ultimately, they dont care because their browser (and everything else) needs are filled by their primary system ?

That WOULD tend to describe virtually all legacy users and a lot of NG users.
Maybe that why those of us using MorphOS are confused.
We thought computers were supposed to have real utility.
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Re: Odyssey Web Browser for AmigaOS & AROS, *DONATE NOW*!
« Reply #64 on: December 14, 2013, 12:20:25 AM »
Iggy
Dont you know most Amiga NG os4 users just have their NG box to "Turn on install updates and put it back in the closet" (yes thats an actual quote)

Amazing.
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« Reply #65 on: December 14, 2013, 12:38:32 AM »
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Iggy
Dont you know most Amiga NG os4 users just have their NG box to "Turn on install updates and put it back in the closet" (yes thats an actual quote)

Amazing.


Don't forget "moving icon positions and snapshotting them" too. ;)
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« Reply #66 on: December 14, 2013, 03:42:00 AM »
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Don't forget "moving icon positions and snapshotting them" too. ;)


Making screenshots is another favourite apparently.
 

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« Reply #67 on: December 14, 2013, 01:18:33 PM »
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Isn't the lack of interest of donation and interest by community and desire to see this happen...is a great indication that the community itself does not care to see a good browser ported to the Amiga community? That they would rather use an ancient Ibrowser or AWeb from classical times and that they do not support AmigaOS 4.1 at all?

I mean...even if it is not true the lack of enthusiasm and the lack of donation from the Amiga community part itself...indicate so?

I am thinking here....the jack pot for success here is 7,500 dollars...that is the main goal, right? Well...assume there are very few people left in the Amiga community and majority have either died or moved on. Assume in the entire Amiga community in general there are just 1000 left...that is it...1000 left which combines the interest of the Amiga classic and new modern hardware in total..both for Amigaworld.net and Amiga.org combined there are 1000 people left in the community. If every single person donate 10 dollars you will get 10,000 donation that is more than the 7,500 and the goal would be met and the port will happen. But in total there are 120 people who donated...just 120...that shows very lack interest in this entire project.

Even if all the 1000 people who are left in this community donate 5 dollars you would still meet the goal requirement and the project will happen.

Am I missing something here? And by the way...I did donate myself so do not come at me in this angel. Maybe people do not believe AmigaOS 4.1 is a real AmigaOS and the hardware a real Amiga hardware and maybe people do not believe AmigaOS 4.1 is worthy of their time and money and would rather see this project in AmigaOS 3.9 and perhaps would rather see AmigaOS 4.1 be destroyed and die out with it's modern hardware and be still stuck in ancient old hardware that is over expense with lack of ability to do things in modern time...maybe. I am not so sure the reason  behind it.


Firstly, I don't really think it's going slow at all. We all know that this is a higher set bounty than this tiny community are used to. But in just one month(!), 129 people has collected $4,000 (just $19 short), or 53% of the entire bounty sum. I am actually quite impressed by this! I thought it would go much slower!

But I see what you mean. There aren't many OS4 users contributing, and most of those who do, only contribute with some $10-$20, some even single digit donations. I think this could be because of several reasons.

First, the OS4 community is perhaps a lot smaller today than we thought? OS4 seems mostly to be a discussion club over at AW.net, and we are many who has been completely surprised by the number of very vocal OS4 supporters who (as it later turned out) never even had an OS4 rig, but still talks about its superiority and yada yada everywhere.

Maybe that's not so strange either, come to think of it. OS4 and its HW has always had rather poor availability, the Teron boards were notoriously flawed (many stayed away from them) and über expensive (some who wanted one could not afford or would think it's worth it). Hence that one was kind of unavailable to many. And those systems are old/dying now, many who owned then has probably left the scene a long time ago. There was demand for second hand Pegasos 2's for a while from OS4 users, but the availability of those on the second hand market has also been relatively poor. The Sam 440 was terribly underpowered (Efika class CPU, albeit faster) and still not cheap, the Sam 460 reached almost the Pegasos 2 in performance (which wasn't particularly good at the time, and even less so today) but was very expensive for its performance level, and it had (and still have, I believe?) driver issues. So I suppose some people never considered those to be alternatives either. And it would be a difficult to even imagine a system that has been more out of peoples reach than the X1000. The poor HW situation that has always plagued OS4 must of course have had some effect on the size of the user base.

Another thing that may have caused people to simply leave, is the fact that development has been virtually non-existent for years. The few updates coming are of minor kind, like bugfixes. Many features that was promised many, many years ago has still not been developed. I think that at some point, people get tired of waiting, and leave. Ironically, a really good Web Browser like Odyssey, is a killer feature that would improve their experience a lot.

Another thing could be that OS4 people are exceptionally tight-fisted and stingy, and don't want to put their money where their mouths are. But OTOH, they filled a much larger bounty than this for the friedens to make a closed source port of the open source browser "Firefox" (with a terrible result, but that's a different story), so this can't be it.

Maybe it's simply down to that this is a bounty assigned to Fab (from the "not teh reeale!1!!" community) and not to "the holy Friedens"? Irrational, yes very! Possible, yes indeed. There also alsmost seems like some people don't want this bounty to succeed, like ddni in post #14 here, totally ignoring the fact that the bounty only had been open for a few weeks and the growth is steady. I mean, since that post a few days ago only, we are 6% and several hundreds of $ closer to the goal. "Stalled"? "No signs of growth"? Well, for some, that seems more like wishful thinking than the reality.

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Re: Odyssey Web Browser for AmigaOS & AROS, *DONATE NOW*!
« Reply #68 on: December 14, 2013, 01:38:08 PM »
BadaBAM!

A new Odyssey Bounty Milestone has been reached! :D

   

Yesterday we passed 50%, and just now someone (who is the lucky one?) paid the 4000th dollar to the stash! :)

Now we can reset our minds:

The price of releasing the Odyssey sources to the OS4 community has never been this cheap!

For only $3500 you could get the browser of your dreams, the #1 killer application your platform needs!

Don't make this opportunity for OS4 (and AROS and ARIX) slip away!


Donate NOW:

:knuddel: . http://www.power2people.org/projects/odyssey/ . :knuddel:

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« Reply #69 on: December 14, 2013, 02:04:06 PM »
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and just now someone (who is the lucky one?) paid the 4000th dollar to the stash! :)


You can see the name of the most recent donor on the Power2People frontpage.
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« Reply #70 on: December 14, 2013, 03:10:26 PM »
Stop advocating - true Amigans can use Firefox, so what would they want with a browser based on an abandoned branch (Webkit) for an OS based on stolen code?
 

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« Reply #71 on: December 14, 2013, 04:52:42 PM »
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You can see the name of the most recent donor on the Power2People frontpage.


Nice of Bill to publisize this effort.
Gee, the so called 'blue' camp seems to be going out of its way to help the other NG OS' get a nice piece of software.
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Re: Odyssey Web Browser for AmigaOS & AROS, *DONATE NOW*!
« Reply #72 on: December 14, 2013, 04:56:25 PM »
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Stop advocating - true Amigans can use Firefox, so what would they want with a browser based on an abandoned branch (Webkit) for an OS based on stolen code?


Now, now, we're all playing nice for once.
Not that I think this is going to increase cross platform cooperation.

I do support that idea of raising some moneyfor one of my favorite developers though.
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« Reply #73 on: December 14, 2013, 06:07:25 PM »
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But I see what you mean. There aren't many OS4 users contributing, and most of those who do, only contribute with some $10-$20, some even single digit donations. I think this could be because of several reasons.

them reason I think are mostly WRONG, the main reason I only donated a small amount is because this is simply open source the code, there are no guarantees it will be easy to port specially if it uses closed sourced Morphos libs or what ever and we need to support the devs who are going to have to port it over and maintain it.

Plus another reason why many OS4 users dont post much any more is there sick of some of crap that goes on in the drama of amiga world web sites and plus maybe they are just simply enjoying there machine and not on web forums as much. I know I've spent a bit more time on my Amiga than on amiga forums. And big thanks to the QT youtube app I finds my self more and more on the Amiga!

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« Reply #74 from previous page: December 14, 2013, 06:21:40 PM »
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them reason I think are mostly WRONG, the main reason I only donated a small amount is because this is simply open source the code, there are no guarantees it will be easy to port specially if it uses closed sourced Morphos libs or what ever and we need to support the devs who are going to have to port it over and maintain it.

Plus another reason why many OS4 users dont post much any more is there sick of some of crap that goes on in the drama of amiga world web sites and plus maybe they are just simply enjoying there machine and not on web forums as much. I know I've spent a bit more time on my Amiga than on amiga forums. And big thanks to the QT youtube app I finds my self more and more on the Amiga!


No way....is that your reason? I tell you what..I take the reasons of takemehomegrandma more into grain salt than yours!!! The other reasons where you disapproved and spoke against on the behalf of the rest of the community to me sound more correct, valid, sane, logical, and maturer than your reason. If your reason simply put that the drama in this community is the big reason why community no longer support browser so as to not want to read the drama...simply put...is weak at best! The solution to that problem is DO NOT VISIT the site! Problem solved! Same if you listen to a radio show and you find the talk show be political incorrect, sexist, racist, fascist  you name it...the solution to that problem..the nob of that radio. Simply put...change the radio station or turn it off...your problem is solved! However, why stop a good browser that the Amiga needs so badly that could be used for youtube, flash site intensive, do your banking work, etc....just because of the drama that comes in amiga.org or amigaworld.net?

That to me is sooooo illogical that I will go with the previous reason why people do not donate better than your reason.
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