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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #89 from previous page: October 29, 2013, 06:20:05 PM »
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+1 to all that.

RE: Diesel.  Have you tried chip fat? I believe it works very well as an alternative.

Are you trying to say something about Northerners? ;)

I have thought about it, but it adds hours onto my week setting up contacts, getting the crap home, setting up a filtration system/storage/etc.

I'll probably experiment with it in a couple of years when I've settled into the routine a bit more, but at the moment running a home, dog, business and relationship is as many full-time jobs as I can manage. :)
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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #90 on: October 29, 2013, 06:24:02 PM »
Funnily, it was mint from Israel in Tesco which tipped the boat for me. :D

Mint is a persavive weed which requires hard work to keep its growth iunder control. Why the hell Tesco sees fit to fly it in from halfway across the world.. well, this is what happens when profit is the sole motivator for corporate decision making.
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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #91 on: October 29, 2013, 07:04:17 PM »
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Are you trying to say something about Northerners? ;)

I have thought about it, but it adds hours onto my week setting up contacts, getting the crap home, setting up a filtration system/storage/etc.

I'll probably experiment with it in a couple of years when I've settled into the routine a bit more, but at the moment running a home, dog, business and relationship is as many full-time jobs as I can manage. :)

My (unmissed) hometown of Blackburn once held the dubious honour of being the Chip Pan Fire Capital of the UK. :lol:
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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #92 on: October 29, 2013, 07:47:25 PM »
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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #93 on: October 29, 2013, 07:54:55 PM »
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My (unmissed) hometown of Blackburn once held the dubious honour of being the Chip Pan Fire Capital of the UK. :lol:


I wonder if that was the source of the Beatle's "Ten thousand holes in Blackburn, Lancashire"? :)

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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #94 on: October 29, 2013, 08:02:33 PM »
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But not "A" + number.

I'm not saying that using "A" is right, just that "A" often has been used by a lot of companies, without anyone taking much notice.

I don't like any of the suggested AmigaOne names - they're too long
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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #95 on: October 29, 2013, 08:29:05 PM »
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I'm not saying that using "A" is right, just that "A" often has been used by a lot of companies, without anyone taking much notice.

I don't like any of the suggested AmigaOne names - they're too long


Yes. I just tried typing all of the various Amiga models in to google, using the "A" prefix instead of "Amiga," and only A600 and A1200 brought up any mention of the Amiga. All of the searches returned plenty of computers, phones, tablets, cameras, etc. The first page of A500 not only didn't mention Amiga, but did list the A500 road in Staffordshire and Cheshire, England.

Honestly, this is way too much fuss over one letter. This thread has been going on for three weeks now which far exceeds the impact that any naming scheme will have.

I personally couldn't care less if Apple sold a Mac A4000, unless they called it an "Amiga 4000" or "Amiga A4000." It wouldn't be unethical, amoral, or "parasitic" in the slightest. Likewise, an "AmigaOne A3000" will never be an "Amiga 3000." Having said that, I'd suggest using a different number like "AmigaOne A3041" just to avoid confusion when people inevitably shorten the name in discussions (personally, I'd shorten it to A1-A3041 for clarity, but I'm not everyone).

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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #96 on: October 29, 2013, 09:00:02 PM »
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But not "A" + number. We all know what this means and Steve Solie admitted that it would be intentionally and they would anger a lot of people in the community. Why doing that when you know that potential customers will dislike it? Or does he seriously think AmigaOS has a chance outside the hardcore amigians? I do not think so. Why not just avoiding that and using "X" (or T or V or whatelse)?


I'm not saying that using "A" is right, just that "A" often has been used by a lot of companies, without anyone taking much notice.


Please give a lot of examples of companies in the Amiga world that has often been using "A" + number as their naming scheme for their products?

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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #98 on: October 29, 2013, 09:17:08 PM »
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Please give a lot of examples of companies in the Amiga world that has often been using "A" + number as their naming scheme for their products?

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Acer have an A500 tablet. Or is it Asus? Yes Asus. Their a company in the same world as the Amiga.
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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #99 on: October 29, 2013, 11:18:54 PM »
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Yes. I just tried typing all of the various Amiga models in to google, using the "A" prefix instead of "Amiga," and only A600 and A1200 brought up any mention of the Amiga. All of the searches returned plenty of computers, phones, tablets, cameras, etc. The first page of A500 not only didn't mention Amiga, but did list the A500 road in Staffordshire and Cheshire, England.


That's simply because in the real world (outside ssolie's imagination), the Amiga hasn't been relevant for at least a decade and a half. And that's also why ssolie's idea that this "A + number" naming scheme would be key for world domination outside "this little microcosm" is *so terribly broken*! Nobody outside knows what to search for, they are clueless about "A5000", and had they known, then they could have searched for anything else as well (like "X2000").

Inside this "microcosm" however (can't we just call it Amiga community instead?), the "A + number" naming convention is well known, all the "hardcore Amiga guys" here knows perfectly well what it stands for and we don't need to use google for telling us that. Ssolie knows very well that hardcore Amiga guys may get upset and/or confused with this infringement on the de-facto naming convention of real/classic Amigas. He has openly acknowledged this (after all, he comes from this background himself so he can probably just "feel it" instinctively), just as he acknowledged that they *shouldn't care about it*, since the hardcore Amiga guys have already made up their mind and they won't buy the product anyway. So their feelings and opinions should be ignored and they should simply run them over and aim outside the "microcosm" by naming the product with something that will generate truckloads of hits for *general* people using google. (Now is a good time to re-read the quote I made at the top of this post! :rolleyes:)

The plan:
  • P!ss off/confuse "hardcore Amiga guys" inside this "microcosm" by deliberately infringing on the general de-facto naming convention for real/classic Amiga computers ("it doesn't matter since they won't be buying it anyway").
  • Aim for world domination outside this microcosm instead by using the "A + number" naming convention that doesn't mean jack sh!t to anyone outside (only inside), hence it will be kind of meaningless on google.


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Honestly, this is way too much fuss over one letter. This thread has been going on for three weeks now which far exceeds the impact that any naming scheme will have.


You are of course just as entitled to your opinion as anyone else is. IMHO though, this could stain the product for its *entire life time*, which is by far longer than three weeks. What could have been something positive and nice here – a new machine announced – is turning into something else, where they try to score cheap, short term parasitic marketing points on the Amiga legacy and glory, when it had been so simple just to give the product its own name by following *their own* naming convention "X + number". Let it stand on it's own merits (and the merits of its predecessor, the "X1000")! It would have made better sense in so many ways!

It's encouraging though to see that *practically everyone* (on every forum where this is being discussed) comes with truckloads of suggestions using *anything else* than "A" (you and ssolie are among the few going against the stream). I'd say that most people feel a bit like I do, that it's simply wrong to infringe on the real/classic Amiga de-facto naming convention. It's less encouraging however to see that the polling is not taking place in the open, but behind closed doors. Then it's easy to claim that whatever decision you make, "there was a clear majority behind it".
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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #100 on: October 29, 2013, 11:31:45 PM »
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Here's a few:
http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=724
http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/media/download_photos/gvp1230-iibox1.jpg
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/mtec1200
http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=6


Thank you for proving my point; those are all accessories for real/classic Amiga's, and "A's" do definitely belong here (although some have other names as well, which is also fine of course). And they are all accessories or peripheral equipment to existing real/classic Amiga computers, not new non-classic computers claiming a brand new "A" model number for itself.

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Acer have an A500 tablet. Or is it Asus? Yes Asus. Their a company in the same world as the Amiga.


Frankly I have no idea what you tried to say there, I think you may be confused. If so, sorry about that. Or maybe you just didn't follow the discussion...?
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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #101 on: October 30, 2013, 12:14:37 AM »
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Yes. I just tried typing all of the various Amiga models in to google, using the "A" prefix instead of "Amiga," and only A600 and A1200 brought up any mention of the Amiga. All of the searches returned plenty of computers, phones, tablets, cameras, etc. The first page of A500 not only didn't mention Amiga, but did list the A500 road in Staffordshire and Cheshire, England.

Honestly, this is way too much fuss over one letter. This thread has been going on for three weeks now which far exceeds the impact that any naming scheme will have.

I personally couldn't care less if Apple sold a Mac A4000, unless they called it an "Amiga 4000" or "Amiga A4000." It wouldn't be unethical, amoral, or "parasitic" in the slightest. Likewise, an "AmigaOne A3000" will never be an "Amiga 3000." Having said that, I'd suggest using a different number like "AmigaOne A3041" just to avoid confusion when people inevitably shorten the name in discussions (personally, I'd shorten it to A1-A3041 for clarity, but I'm not everyone).

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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #102 on: October 30, 2013, 12:21:47 AM »
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The plan:
  • P!ss off/confuse "hardcore Amiga guys" inside this "microcosm" by deliberately infringing on the general de-facto naming convention for real/classic Amiga computers ("it doesn't matter since they won't be buying it anyway").
  • Aim for world domination outside this microcosm instead by using the "A + number" naming convention that doesn't mean jack sh!t to anyone outside (only inside), hence it will be kind of meaningless on google.


:rolleyes:

Come now, true "hardcore Amiga guys" would never get confused by this; they know what the difference is between an Amiga 3000 and an AmigaOne-<>. Incidentally, referring to an Amiga 3000 as an A3000 is a simple matter of convenience/laziness; nobody is "infringing" on anything. Tone the rhetoric down a notch, please.

BTW, the name isn't ssolie's decision, and his thoughts on the matter aren't the same as those who are actually making the decisions. So, don't get too carried away and treat his comments like the motivation for all this.

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It's encouraging though to see that *practically everyone* (on every forum where this is being discussed) comes with truckloads of suggestions using *anything else* than "A" (you and ssolie are among the few going against the stream). I'd say that most people feel a bit like I do, that it's simply wrong to infringe on the real/classic Amiga de-facto naming convention. It's less encouraging however to see that the polling is not taking place in the open, but behind closed doors. Then it's easy to claim that whatever decision you make, "there was a clear majority behind it".

Actually, aside from suggesting not using A1-A3000, I haven't made any naming suggestions at all. I simply don't think that it's worth all this fuss. As far as I'm concerned, they can call it whatever they like (obscenities excluded, of course ;-) ). They could even call it an AmigaOne-Eketahuna or AmigaOne-Timbuktu for all I care. Maybe I should suggest those names :D.

It seems to me that this boils down to this: you don't accept AmigaOS 4.x (+hardware) as the next version of AmigaOS after 3.x and, therefore, you can't stand anything that even hints at AmigaOS 4.x and the hardware it runs on being the successor of what's now (unofficially) being called the classic Amiga.

By contrast, AmigaOS 4.x users/developers don't see it that way. They are just as entitled to see AmigaOS 4.x + hardware as the successors of the Amiga as you are to reject that. Some clearly see the link to the past as strong enough that it should be reflected in the naming. You're welcome to disagree, but the level of indignation and outrage that you're showing is way over the top (IMHO).

Seriously, is this really worth getting so worked up about?

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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #103 on: October 30, 2013, 12:26:28 AM »
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Since when has nine days equalled three weeks?  It's not even two.

Argh! Dates on this forum are in US format. The 20 being where the month should be should have been a dead giveaway. :o

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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #104 on: October 30, 2013, 01:06:55 AM »
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Argh! Dates on this forum are in US format. The 20 being where the month should be should have been a dead giveaway. :o

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