Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems

[bitman]

Why not remove A from Aros then? ;-)

[OlafS3]

Why not remove A from Aros then? ;-)

Why not remove "a" from bitman? :-)

If you combine "A" with a number and tell that to someone who is either Amiga-User or used Amigas in the past this person thinks of the classic line. What else should they think of? And that would be intentional. Solie has admitted that himself and that he is not interested in what the existing community (68k, MorphOS, AROS) might think about it.

[bitman]

Gre*t ide*, Ol*fS3

reg*rds, Bitm*n ;-)

Why not remove "a" from bitman? :-)

[OlafS3]

Gre*t ide*

reg*rds, Bitm*n

Yes

regards,

Ol*fS3 :-)

[bitman]

Regarding the current "naming-fuss", I'm rather neutral - since I'm not using and will (probably) not be using any NG Amiga system for the next couple of years.

On the subject of "parasiting" on "A" and "Ami" - hasn't it always been a part of the Amiga-world: Abox, Ambient, iMica, Natami, AresOne 2011 etc?

We tend to always use an "A" or something that sounds like "AMI".

[Djole]

Oooh! "AmigaOne" - I'm so juh-healous, that I can't even just say 'jealous'.

Hyperion has the rights to nothing beyond the names AmigaOne and AmigaOS (and the boing ball).
That's the kind of aroogant and ill-informed post that makes me want to open a business reconditioning & selling Macs rebranded as the AmigaTwo line. Not that I expect it to create a sustainable business, but it would be funny watching Ben make legal threats with his remaining $2.15.

Please do so, maybe you will also make $2,15. Nothing ill-informed about my previous post, I just read all the stupid posts (like yours) and based on that I still think os4 haters cant stand that Hyperion can use Amiga name be it in AmigaONE, AmigaOS or whatever. Just to make it clear I like all Amiga like systems, classic, OS4, MOS and Aros and I cant understand why people have so much against OS4 and its boards. If its too expensive for you, keep using your MAC and dont hate the ones who can and want to buy X1000, X2000 or whatever. If OS4 is not as good as MOS, again keep using your MAC and dont hate the ones who use AmigaOS.

[nicholas]

@Djole

Perhaps people hate Ben Hermans.

Threatening AROS for being the Amiga Research OS despite Fleecy and McBill giving it their blessing years prior is just one of the many pathetic stunts he has pulled that have made the wider community despise him so very much.

Steven Solie appears to be carrying on in that tradition and you have to ask "why?"

[Djole]

@Djole

Perhaps people hate Ben Hermans.

Threatening AROS for being the Amiga Research OS despite Fleecy and McBill giving it their blessing years prior is just one of the many pathetic stunts he has pulled that have made the wider community despise him so very much.

Steven Solie appears to be carrying on in that tradition and you have to ask "why?"

Ok I can understand that but, do you buy a car because the brand owner is a nice guy or any other product ? I dont follow politics I just look at the product.

[itix]

Regarding the current "naming-fuss", I'm rather neutral - since I'm not using and will (probably) not be using any NG Amiga system for the next couple of years.

What it has to do with anything? Btw I am AmigaOS user. I just dont advertise my Amiga 500 in my signature.

On the subject of "parasiting" on "A" and "Ami" - hasn't it always been a part of the Amiga-world: Abox, Ambient, iMica, Natami, AresOne 2011 etc?

Ambient is a musical style. See Wikipedia.

We tend to always use an "A" or something that sounds like "AMI".

Do you really do that in Denmark?

[OlafS3]

Regarding the current "naming-fuss", I'm rather neutral - since I'm not using and will (probably) not be using any NG Amiga system for the next couple of years.

On the subject of "parasiting" on "A" and "Ami" - hasn't it always been a part of the Amiga-world: Abox, Ambient, iMica, Natami, AresOne 2011 etc?

We tend to always use an "A" or something that sounds like "AMI".

But not "A" + number. We all know what this means and Steve Solie admitted that it would be intentionally and they would anger a lot of people in the community. Why doing that when you know that potential customers will dislike it? Or does he seriously think AmigaOS has a chance outside the hardcore amigians? I do not think so. Why not just avoiding that and using "X" (or T or V or whatelse)?

[OlafS3]

Please do so, maybe you will also make $2,15. Nothing ill-informed about my previous post, I just read all the stupid posts (like yours) and based on that I still think os4 haters cant stand that Hyperion can use Amiga name be it in AmigaONE, AmigaOS or whatever. Just to make it clear I like all Amiga like systems, classic, OS4, MOS and Aros and I cant understand why people have so much against OS4 and its boards. If its too expensive for you, keep using your MAC and dont hate the ones who can and want to buy X1000, X2000 or whatever. If OS4 is not as good as MOS, again keep using your MAC and dont hate the ones who use AmigaOS.

AmigaOS user seem to see every critic/different view as "hate". I personal do not "hate" it or hate the user. But again why using such a naming with history knowing that you will upset a lot of people who partly propably see it as grave robbery. Better make good products at a good price that persuade people to buy it.

[Boot_WB]

Ok I can understand that but, do you buy a car because the brand owner is a nice guy or any other product ? I dont follow politics I just look at the product.

Actually, to some degree, yes.
For example, I won't use Elsevier services/producs due to their onoing (if now abstracted) links to the annual Arms Fair in the UK. I also won't spend any money on News International products (Sky, The Sun, etc) for many reasons, but you can boil that down to Rupert Murdoch being at the black heart of it all. Nor will I buy imported herbs, imported to the UK by air to keep it fresh - despite the fact that it grows like a fricking weed everywhere in the country.

Corporate responsibility is something that influences product choice in the real world.

Sadly, I continue to line the pockets of the tobacco barons, but it is high on my list. Equally sadly, I am addicted to the use of diesel for my business vehicle for which I see no practicable alternative at the mo.

[nicholas]

Actually, to some degree, yes.
For example, I won't use Elsevier services/producs due to their onoing (if now abstracted) links to the annual Arms Fair in the UK. I also won't spend any money on News International products (Sky, The Sun, etc) for many reasons, but you can boil that down to Rupert Murdoch being at the black heart of it all. Nor will I buy imported herbs, imported to the UK by air to keep it fresh - despite the fact that it grows like a fricking weed everywhere in the country.

Corporate responsibility is something that influences product choice in the real world.

Sadly, I continue to line the pockets of the tobacco barons, but it is high on my list. Equally sadly, I am addicted to the use of diesel for my business vehicle for which I see no practicable alternative at the mo.

+1 to all that.

RE: Diesel.  Have you tried chip fat? I believe it works very well as an alternative.

[nicholas]

Ok I can understand that but, do you buy a car because the brand owner is a nice guy or any other product ? I dont follow politics I just look at the product.

See what Boot_WB said.

Also I refuse to buy Israeli products and avoid dealing with companies that have branches in Occupied Palestine where I can avoid it.

If you support a business with your money you are condoning and supporting the politics of that company.

That being said, I will probably own another OS4 capable machine again at some point in the future, but that doesn't preclude me criticising the faults of OS4 nor the obscene behaviour of it's owners and self-appointed semi-official spokes people.

I call a spade a spade, not a long handled digging implement.

[Boot_WB]

Please do so, maybe you will also make $2,15. Nothing ill-informed about my previous post, I just read all the stupid posts (like yours)

I probably deserved that, sorry for my earlier reaction.

and based on that I still think os4 haters cant stand that Hyperion can use Amiga name be it in AmigaONE, AmigaOS or whatever. Just to make it clear I like all Amiga like systems, classic, OS4, MOS and Aros and I cant understand why people have so much against OS4 and its boards. If its too expensive for you, keep using your MAC and dont hate the ones who can and want to buy X1000, X2000 or whatever. If OS4 is not as good as MOS, again keep using your MAC and dont hate the ones who use AmigaOS.

I think you misunderstand. I don't hate users or developers of any systems (my 'hate' list is actually very small: hate is counter-productive and harmful to both the individual and anyone around. Sadly I'm not a saint, so I do have anger rooted in emotional pain towards certain individuals (nothing to do with the Amiga community though) which I have yet to amortise).

I don't agree with the campaign of some people to use the word 'Amiga' as much as possible in relation to AmigaOS4 hardware in order to muddy the clear legal line between Amiga and AmigaOne.

AmigaOne != Amiga: they are two entirely seperate trademarks and brands.

Trademarks aside, let's look at the hardware: they are entirely different architectures, generations of hardware, and processor families, developed by entirely seperate companies, built on entirely different principles and concepts, and with 0 (zero) personnel carried over from the Amiga days to the AmigaOne days.

[Boot_WB]

+1 to all that.

RE: Diesel.  Have you tried chip fat? I believe it works very well as an alternative.

Are you trying to say something about Northerners?

I have thought about it, but it adds hours onto my week setting up contacts, getting the crap home, setting up a filtration system/storage/etc.

I'll probably experiment with it in a couple of years when I've settled into the routine a bit more, but at the moment running a home, dog, business and relationship is as many full-time jobs as I can manage.