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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2013, 11:25:36 PM »
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Btw Solie's reasoning to get more sales is not going to work in reality. Amiga 500 was the best selling Amiga model but how many sales A-Cube had with AmigaOne 500?


Ah that must be were A-Cube went wrong. Had they named it the "AmigaOne A500” they'd have been raking in the orders from confused buyers looking to buy a second hand Amiga 500. ;)

There's a good reason why programmers should stick to code and salesmen to marketing, ssolie obviously didn't get the memo.
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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #60 on: October 25, 2013, 11:41:02 PM »
lol. programmers should stick to coding alright, given they are coding well.
 

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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #61 on: October 26, 2013, 01:01:57 AM »
"Further more, do you think there are more people buying the beast, if a search engine will present Cyrus base System when you enter Amiga 5000?"

   Hint: The only ones that will be interested to even google "Amiga 5000" in 2013 would be the hard core Amiga guys in a certain microcosm.

"Absolutely yes."

   Well, if you want search hits by using "clever" name associations you should call it "Amigaone iPhone 5s" or "Amigaone Facebook" for even more hits! :razz:

"Could this be confusing? Is this inconsistent? Yeah"

   OK, so the OS4 team lead *actually agrees* on the confusion and inconsistency? Interesting!

"but nobody cares."

   Nobody?

"The only people who do care are the hard core Amiga guys."

   And that's "nobody" in OS4 team leads eyes? Remember when *you guys* were "hard core Amiga guys"? You came from this background as well, didn't you?

"The hard core Amiga guys have made up their minds already so there is no point in pandering to them."

   So if you can't take the hard core Amiga guy's dollars, then their views doesn't matter and they should actively be ignored?

"We need to think outside this microcosm."

   Yes, because it's not the "hard core Amiga guys" that is the *only* potential buyers of $3,000+ computer systems of 2005 level performance with an OS that can't really be used for anything serious by 2013 standards, not even browsing the web in a decent manner, with missing or semi-functional drivers, for the joy of having a boing ball on the "custom case". No, it's not them, it's everyone else! And it will happen as soon as they can google "Amigaone A5000", this "A" is the key to everything!

"After reading "Commodore: A Company on the Edge" recently I'm quite sure Jack Tramiel wouldn't think twice about using the A5000 label because his focus was always on selling more units which is the primary objective here as well."

   Yeah, like he would ever go anywhere near the nemo/cyrus/whatever. Especially if he as you say (and the OS4 team lead seem to know) was only interested in selling more products. The X1000 is an impossible product; had Jack Tramiel been around and heard of a plan to create a computer with performance that's *eight years* behind the current market, then it would never have even entered the design phase, the idea would have been put in the trash as soon as it would have been pronounced, and the one coming up with the idea would probably be sent to a doctor for a brain examination.

Nice touch by the OS4 team lead there BTW, connecting Jack Tramiel to all this to create a subliminal image that they are "in a team" with him. "Do what Jack Tramiel would have done, vote for "A5000" because then we will sell more units outside this microcosm to non-hardcore Amiga guys"! Hey, I know! They should create a website where they list the names of all the old Amiga legends, and in the same list they should write their own names as well! Carl Sassenrath, David Haynie, Steven Solie, Steffen Häuser, etc! On the same page, in the same list! What? They already did that on amigaos.net? Good, very justified, because surely Dave Haynie would really have loved their HW path, and Carl Sassenrath would really have loved what they did to the OS. And maybe they will sell more units outside the "microcosm", who knows? I mean, it's all about search engines and association with well known stuff ("Dave Haynie", "Amiga A5000", etc, maybe they can throw in some "AAA" somewhere as well?), and not about real, viable, marketable products, right?
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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #62 on: October 26, 2013, 07:49:11 AM »
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Yes but spending 1.2 Million Dollar for new PPC based custom hardware in 2013/2014 IS indeed wasting money. It is also called hobby like collecting and repairing oldtimers, collecting stamps or whatever. But he should at least not try to confuse his new toys with the classic line.

And he could have spend it in porting AmigaOS to better and cheaper hardware. "Custom hardware" that offers no real benefits compared to standard hardware makes no real sense.

IBM is investing in Linux PPC side, so lets see how Cyrus will do. After all, there are no other consumer PPC boards.

Yes, I would like to see fraction of that money is spent of software AmigaOS side, but again, it might happen slower via AmigaOS 4 licenses.
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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #63 on: October 26, 2013, 07:51:22 AM »
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"Further more, do you think there are more people buying the beast, if a search engine will present Cyrus base System when you enter Amiga 5000?"
   Hint: The only ones that will be interested to even google "Amiga 5000" in 2013 would be the hard core Amiga guys in a certain microcosm.
Well, in a way it is enhanced X1000, so X2000 is no confusion thing.
Why not using your voice and voting to AEON?

Amiga 5000 is listed at Amiga History
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/a5000mag.html

even the power edition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_A5000


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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #64 on: October 26, 2013, 09:18:49 AM »
How frustrating it must be for OS4 haters to see new HW coming using the name they cant. I dont see other reason for so much fuss about naming of a machine. Who cares, if you like it and have the money buy it, if not, forget it. Like some1 is going to listen to you anyway...
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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #65 on: October 26, 2013, 01:05:47 PM »
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How frustrating it must be for OS4 haters to see new HW coming using the name they cant. I dont see other reason for so much fuss about naming of a machine. Who cares, if you like it and have the money buy it, if not, forget it. Like some1 is going to listen to you anyway...

Well, Djole, Classic lovers have a new sound card, so its hard to spit on AEON :hammer:
Well, I cant afford Cyrus now, but will come back to see how it does in 5 years.

Meanwhile, are you interested to team up in localizing parts of AmigaOS and apps? Translation is not bad at all, but nights some ironing, and surely we can do apps which are both OS 3.x and OS 4.x (like YAM for example)
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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2013, 01:58:45 PM »
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Well, Djole, Classic lovers have a new sound card, so its hard to spit on AEON

i have elbox hardware too, which doesnt meen that im completely free of doubts concerning their business practices. one pays for a product with money. i thinks the concept of acquiring goods in exchange for soul and bood is outdated, but apparentlyit is not how you think about it.
 

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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #67 on: October 28, 2013, 09:28:43 AM »
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Btw Solie's reasoning to get more sales is not going to work in reality. Amiga 500 was the best selling Amiga model but how many sales A-Cube had with AmigaOne 500?


Very good point!

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This AmigaOne A5000 is based on broken idea that there is large audience googling and waiting for new Amigas to come. They could call it Amiga 500 and it still wouldnt sell any better. But Solie is a prisoner of Amiga name and cant let it go from his mind.


Exactly. He and a few others seem to live in an alternative reality, that's for sure.

I guess it helps by staying inside the high walls of Amigans.net where "broken ideas" are carefully cultivated by everyone inside and protected by the gate keepers and the moderators. Keep influenses from the outside shielded off carefully enough, and you will soon have reached the collective inbred mindsets that's required to make 2005 level HW at $3,000 with a slapped-on "A3000" sticker seem like a good idea in 2013, and a plan for world domination.

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In five years MorphOS has acquired over 2000 registrations. AROS has established a core group on Raspberry Pi and PC world. Amiga veterans still remember short lived Amithlon. Natami had great following.You dont need amiga name if you can make your product right.


I guess it's easy when you have the product, but if you don't...?

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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #68 on: October 28, 2013, 11:23:14 AM »
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How frustrating it must be for OS4 haters to see new HW coming using the name they cant. I dont see other reason for so much fuss about naming of a machine. Who cares, if you like it and have the money buy it, if not, forget it. Like some1 is going to listen to you anyway...


Neither can A-EON use the name, "Amiga."  The only name they have license to is, "AmigaOne."
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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #69 on: October 28, 2013, 12:32:41 PM »
Heh. Funny how most of the noise in regards to the naming of these new machines is made by people who aren't going to buy one.
For people who aren't interested in OS4, they sure spend a lot of time thinking and talking about it.

Personally I think pretty much everything to do with it is a farce, but I rarely feel the urge to worry so much about what others choose to spend their time and money on. Id rather focus on what I am interested in.

To each their own I guess.
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #70 on: October 28, 2013, 01:07:00 PM »
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How frustrating it must be for OS4 haters to see new HW coming using the name they cant. I dont see other reason for so much fuss about naming of a machine. Who cares, if you like it and have the money buy it, if not, forget it. Like some1 is going to listen to you anyway...

Oooh! "AmigaOne" - I'm so juh-healous, that I can't even just say 'jealous'.

Hyperion has the rights to nothing beyond the names AmigaOne and AmigaOS (and the boing ball).
That's the kind of aroogant and ill-informed post that makes me want to open a business reconditioning & selling Macs rebranded as the AmigaTwo line. Not that I expect it to create a sustainable business, but it would be funny watching Ben make legal threats with his remaining $2.15.
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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #71 on: October 29, 2013, 09:24:21 AM »
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Heh. Funny how most of the noise in regards to the naming of these new machines is made by people who aren't going to buy one.
For people who aren't interested in OS4, they sure spend a lot of time thinking and talking about it.

Personally I think pretty much everything to do with it is a farce, but I rarely feel the urge to worry so much about what others choose to spend their time and money on. Id rather focus on what I am interested in.

To each their own I guess.


Sigh! :rolleyes: You are completely missing the point here...

This is not about the new machine per se, it's about the behavior and ethics of the people behind it.

If someone would start selling refurbished PowerMac G5's with MorphOS as "A3000", "A4000", "A5000" etc, then you could bet your left hand that you wold see a similar response, no matter if people would like to buy one or not. Why? Becayse that "A" naming scheme (no matter the number) is de-facto "reserved" for real Amigas/Classics. It's really that simple, and selling G5 Mac's with MorphOS under those kind of names would be parasiting on the classic legacy and glory. It's really as simple as that! And while that thought has surely passed the minds of people at (for example) Elbox, Genesi, Individual Computing, Acube etc, no-one has ever done that. Why? I mean, maybe you would get a somewhat increased number of search hits just like "ssolie" said in the quoted post above, right (a laughable thought, but anyway)?

Well, nobody has done it because most people have a moral compass built in, telling them that this would be *wrong*. It would generate animosity and badwill. They *know* they shouldn't market something as "A3000" or "A5000" because it would infringe on the classic legacy! Most people can *feel* it's wrong!

But then we have people like "ssolie", who doesn't have that compass built in, who realizes that the "hard core Amiga guys" won't buy their product anyway so A-eon/Hyperion shouldn't "give in to them", the hard core Amiga guys are "nobody" and A-eon/Hyperion shouldn't listen to their feelings about this.

Ssolie believes that parasite marketing on the classic glory will be the path to world domination for OS4 because it will bring more search hits on google, not from "hard core Amiga guys" (who he explicitly doesn't care about judging from the quote of his post above, since he won't get their dollars), but from people "outside this microcosm". That's why he thinks it's *right* to p!ss all over the Amiga legacy by using the "A" naming scheme, because suddenly everyone and his dog will find out about it on google and buy these $3000 PPC systems with OS4 on. Again - As he said above he is perfectly aware that the "hard core Amiga guys" will get upset by this, he must feel this because after all he comes from the Amiga background as well, but since the hardcore Amiga guys are "nobody" and won't buy his products anyway, he believes it's right to *ignore* them!

*THIS* is what this thread is about. The mindset and lack of moral compass of the people behind the machine. It's obviously *NOT* about "jealousy" (a ridiculous thought actually) or "noise coming from people who aren't going to buy one anyway".
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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #72 on: October 29, 2013, 12:24:17 PM »
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Becayse that "A" naming scheme (no matter the number) is de-facto "reserved" for real Amigas/Classics. It's really that simple


No, who told you that?
 

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« Reply #73 on: October 29, 2013, 12:54:19 PM »
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No, who told you that?

Is it not?
 

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Re: Regarding the naming of new A-eon systems
« Reply #74 from previous page: October 29, 2013, 01:08:21 PM »
Why not remove A from Aros then? ;-)
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