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Amiga UI Style Guide
« on: September 15, 2013, 01:26:47 AM »
If you've never read this, now you can, thanks to DLH's Commodore Archive. Wonderful thoughts on UI design - should be required reading for developers today, regardless of platform. Highly recommended.
 

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Re: Amiga UI Style Guide
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2013, 01:38:02 AM »
UI design has taken so many steps backward for every step forward it's taken since the '80s that it's not even funny...
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Re: Amiga UI Style Guide
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2013, 01:53:08 AM »
The last book of that set of 5 will be posted tomorrow.
 
Also I just scanned 15 or so more Amiga books.
 
Major delimma to spend the money for the books or upgrade the server.
 
I went with adding new content, I can always upgrade later...
 
What is the point of having a server with plenty of hard drive space if you don't have decent content.
 
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Re: Amiga UI Style Guide
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2013, 03:21:54 AM »
Quote from: DLH;748017
The last book of that set of 5 will be posted tomorrow.
 
Also I just scanned 15 or so more Amiga books.
 
Major delimma to spend the money for the books or upgrade the server.
 
I went with adding new content, I can always upgrade later...
 
What is the point of having a server with plenty of hard drive space if you don't have decent content.
 
Enjoy
 
DLH


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Re: Amiga UI Style Guide
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2013, 04:08:16 AM »
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UI design has taken so many steps backward for every step forward it's taken since the '80s that it's not even funny...

In what way?
 

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Re: Amiga UI Style Guide
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2013, 06:39:30 AM »
>now you can, thanks to DLH's Commodore Archive.

What do you mean "now"? Actually, I typed this book out in its entirety and uploaded it over 10 years ago... (http://amigan.1emu.net/aw/)
 

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Re: Amiga UI Style Guide
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2013, 07:38:51 AM »
Quote from: DLH;748017
The last book of that set of 5 will be posted tomorrow.
 
Also I just scanned 15 or so more Amiga books.
 
Major delimma to spend the money for the books or upgrade the server.
 
I went with adding new content, I can always upgrade later...
 
What is the point of having a server with plenty of hard drive space if you don't have decent content.
 
Enjoy
 
DLH


Thanks! :)

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Re: Amiga UI Style Guide
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2013, 12:04:40 PM »
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In what way?

Um.... E.g. the "Ribbon interface"? ;) Especially in combination with 16:9 screens. 100% brain damage.
 

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Re: Amiga UI Style Guide
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2013, 02:17:58 PM »
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Um.... E.g. the "Ribbon interface"?

Never used ribbons... why are they so bad?

Any more examples?
 

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Re: Amiga UI Style Guide
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2013, 03:19:34 PM »
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Never used ribbons... why are they so bad?

Any more examples?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribbon_(computing)

I find it (ribbon interface) better than those toolbar driven interfaces with miniscule 8x8 px icons where you have to make your best guess. In Microsoft Office it works very well.
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Re: Amiga UI Style Guide
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2013, 03:35:38 PM »
You can buy 4:3 monitors. More expensive though. 16:9 is good for gaming. Usually worse for everything else, including simple browsing.
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Re: Amiga UI Style Guide
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2013, 03:47:43 PM »
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribbon_(computing)

I find it (ribbon interface) better than those toolbar driven interfaces with miniscule 8x8 px icons where you have to make your best guess. In Microsoft Office it works very well.


I stuck with Office 2004(?) rather than upgrade to the XP-ribbon package. The odd day of working despite it while hotdesking on someone else's machine was enough.

I simply never used the ribbon - I'm sure it works well for what it does, but as I knew the relevant 8x8 pixel icons in word/excel at a glance (although I knew where they were anyway so rarely actually looked at/for them), they worked 'fine for me.'

My problem is not with the user interface design per-se, but with having fundamental changes foisted upon one which disrupt an established workflow. Changing menu entry locations/tree structures (and therefore the keyboard combination/sequence which activates it) between versions is a prime example.
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Re: Amiga UI Style Guide
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2013, 04:07:35 PM »
Quote from: itix;748047
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribbon_(computing)

I find it (ribbon interface) better than those toolbar driven interfaces with miniscule 8x8 px icons where you have to make your best guess. In Microsoft Office it works very well.

The ribbon interface totally brain damaged. It Eliminates consistency and logic from interface design.

Want to use a cut and or paste function in excel... It's in one place, probably called review... Want to use the same function in word... It's somewhere else... Perhaps home? Ok, once you have managed to set the ribbons up so you can find everything... Then you have to help a colleague... But you try and use their computer and everything is in the wrong place...

No logical consistency... A total failure of interface design.
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Re: Amiga UI Style Guide
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2013, 05:00:07 PM »
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The ribbon interface totally brain damaged. It Eliminates consistency and logic from interface design.

Want to use a cut and or paste function in excel... It's in one place, probably called review... Want to use the same function in word... It's somewhere else... Perhaps home? Ok, once you have managed to set the ribbons up so you can find everything... Then you have to help a colleague... But you try and use their computer and everything is in the wrong place...

No logical consistency... A total failure of interface design.


Not too different than using MUI apps on someone else's computer. ;)
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Re: Amiga UI Style Guide
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2013, 05:14:56 PM »
Wow great site, added to favourites :)
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