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Re: Nokia - Bye!
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2013, 01:17:49 AM »
Golly! It's almost like Microsoft's incredibly-late-to-the-party efforts to break into the mobile market have been completely futile or something!
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Re: Nokia - Bye!
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2013, 01:30:44 AM »
Very very sad news, from now my interest in mobile phones will be much lower.
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2013, 02:49:08 AM »
They're really doubling down on their botched strategy, aren't they? Don't these people have brains?
 

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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2013, 03:04:11 AM »
Microsoft is NOT "Visionary", they're "Reactionary" (that may not be a proper term, but it's close enough)
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2013, 03:19:42 AM »
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They're really doubling down on their botched strategy, aren't they? Don't these people have brains?

I don't think they actually have much choice, what else are they going to do....give up on mobile?

MS aren't really in that bad a position, with RIM dying quickly they should be able to become a firm 3rd choice in the smart-phone and tablet market.    The mobile market is very important to them because people aren't very interested in buying desktops these days and the server market is moving to cloud based solutions.

My take on the current mobile market:

Apple: Looks like they are running out of ideas with yet another 'refresh' of the iPhone coming out on the 10th (along with some cheap-and-nasty looking plastic phones), could start to lose a lot of market share.

Android:  It looks like Google want to take control of Android more by making their own 'reference' devices, this may force other manufactures like Samsung to leave Android behind.

WinPhone: We'll have to wait and see, could see some solid growth in the next few years though (obviously depending on what happens in the Android/Apple space).

RIM: DOA
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2013, 03:22:02 AM »
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Android: It looks like Google want to take control of Android more by making their own 'reference' devices, this may force other manufactures like Samsung to leave Android behind.

Android is becoming as bad as the old "one os for each model of phone" that it replaced.
 
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Re: Nokia - Bye!
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2013, 03:27:51 AM »
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Microsoft is NOT "Visionary", they're "Reactionary" (that may not be a proper term, but it's close enough)
and slow too...

It's definitely an appropriate term.

Microsoft is not without vision or visionary people. The problem is in execution.

I once read an excellent article about how things work in the auto industry; The designers would come up with a cool visionary design for the next model of a car, then the industrial designers would compromise that vision with a whole bunch of adjustments to fit within the ISO specs, then the engineering team would further compromise the original vision by adapting it to the limitations of the existing fabrication, then the business people would compromise it even further to make sure there is spare parts compatibility and align with the sales targets.

In the end what ends up rolling off the production line is a far cry from what the visionary design intended. In many companies, including Microsoft, this same process occurs and affects delivery.

A truly innovative company challenges standards and industry norms, invents new fabrication systems, and puts the consumer first. And they do all this in concert with operational realities. Nokia is not one of these companies, well it hasn't been for a very long time. Apologies to the Finnish folk, but Nokia may as well be Microsoft.
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Re: Nokia - Bye!
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2013, 03:53:21 AM »
At least they can now make boots while their PC sales head south....
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2013, 04:21:42 AM »
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I don't think they actually have much choice, what else are they going to do....give up on mobile?

MS aren't really in that bad a position, with RIM dying quickly they should be able to become a firm 3rd choice in the smart-phone and tablet market.    The mobile market is very important to them because people aren't very interested in buying desktops these days and the server market is moving to cloud based solutions.


Hmm, I guess I was thinking of "they" as Nokia. Before they got in bed with Microsoft, Nokia was struggling in the smartphone market, but they still dominated the low-end segment. When Nokia first started partnering with Microsoft, they effectively surrendered the entire low-end market and threw away all the investment (and engineering talent) they had put into their in-house smartphones. And the thing they replaced it all with (Windows Phone) was itself floundering in the market. Now they're surrendering their entire phone business to Microsoft. Will they have anything left once this is over? Microsoft could at least do them the courtesy of acquiring the whole company instead of just leaving a mangled corpse for the patent trolls to carve up.

I realize this deal gives Microsoft a more direct line into the phone market, but I think they'll have better luck improving their sales by dumping Windows 8. The phone should complement the desktop. Maybe the phone should even be the desktop. But the desktop should not be the phone, which is what they are currently pushing.
 

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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2013, 04:31:47 AM »
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In the end what ends up rolling off the production line is a far cry from what the visionary design intended. In many companies, including Microsoft, this same process occurs and affects delivery.


Yep it's funny, it happens a lot with motorbikes too.

Check this out.

Original B-King concept bike

The production model

Whereas the original concept looked awesome the production model was actually a bit of a donkey.

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Re: Nokia - Bye!
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2013, 04:43:57 AM »
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I don't think they actually have much choice, what else are they going to do....give up on mobile?
You know what? Yeah. Yeah, they should. Because they've been banging their heads against the wall trying to make it in the mobile computing market since 1996, and in that time the most you can say is that they had some moderate success with Windows CE back when "pocket PCs" were still a thing and every PDA/phone OS was horrible so it didn't really matter that CE was horrible too. But they missed the boat on modern smartphones, they missed the boat on tablets, and the best they've been able to achieve in that space is Windows "well, it's pretty okay" Phone 7/8, which still hasn't even come close to touching iOS's market presence, let alone Android's.

CE is dead. Nobody wants Windows Phone. They botched the Surface line and nobody cares about it anyway. And all the while they've been alienating their real customer base trying to force themselves into the mobile market by trying to make all their desktop/laptop users use an OS designed for tablets on the theory that this will get them to replace their PCs with tablets. Enough of this nonsense. They need to throw in the towel on this, go back to focusing on their strengths, and let the mobile market sort itself out, not double down on their flailing and failing attempts to be a third-place also-ran in a market they long since missed their chance at.
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Re: Nokia - Bye!
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2013, 04:53:38 AM »
For all I know they were colluding for three years, just to set up the Microsoft buy.
I'm not impressed with how the market is going. They are all going for vendor lock-in and plenty of gimping e.g. (no apps on memory cards).

I have no intention of becoming reliant on a smartphone for internet access.
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Re: Nokia - Bye!
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2013, 05:08:34 AM »
7 million phones sold in one quarter isn't anything to sneeze at, John.  They are number three in the market, and number one in Latin America.  You make it sound like Nokia and MS are sitting on street corners in cities all over the world begging people to take W8 phones for free and people aren't taking them, while the independent, confirmed sales figures say otherwise.  Have you tried a Windows Phone?  A Windows Phone 8...  Not a 5 year old Treo running Windows Mobile 6.  At a reported $10 license fee for each handset sold, MS isn't exactly losing money on Win Phone.

I honestly think most people would really like the Nokia 1020 if they tried it.
If I wasn't so entrenched in the Android world right now I'd gladly give one a shot.  I used one recently and was quite impressed at how snappy it was, and the 41 MP camera in the 1020 is just great.
 

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Re: Nokia - Bye!
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2013, 05:13:32 AM »
The real news is the disappearance of Nokia in the world of mobile phones not this microsoft s h i t
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