Re: "Volunteers to make OS4 HW entries for Big Book of Amiga HW"

[bloodline]

I am far and away A.org's most vocal and (IMO ) important AROS supporter... But I don't see how it is relevant to the bboah discussion. AROS is Amiga Software, it doesn't matter what it runs on (pretty much everything BTW)

my point is, that the hardware database should be for Hardware that is related to "Amiga Hardware", it's lovely that our new modern "super" AmigaOS clones can run on x amount of hardware, but that is a special feature of them, it doesn't really make the hardware they run on "Amiga Hardware"

[Gulliver]

What's that got to do with anything I said? I refuted the claim that AmigaOS 4 is "more officially Amiga" only in the eyes of some religious zealots - it is actually more official than its 'competitors'.

That doesn't mean it's a better product, or still relevant or whatever else. It just means it's more official. And if that's really important to somebody, so be it.

I thought you were stating the opposite, my wrong

Exactly, which is why there's one official AmigaOS and two clones - which are collectively referred to as "the Amiga systems" on Amiga-News.de, similar to "the Unix systems" which is also a family of more or less compatible operating systems, some official, some clones.

I wouldnt risk to say OS4 is official. It is officialy made by Hyperion, and they "claim" it is the official "AmigaOS" but not "Amiga OS", and that they have argued that they have some legal rights for that. And then it runs on the "AmigaOne" but not on an "Amiga".

To continue elaborating this, my x86 notebook runs the official Commodore-Amiga OS 3.0 within  WinUAE, but that doesnt make my notebook an Amiga.

[Thorham]

therefore said hardware doesn't belong on a site that is supposed to be documenting Amiga specific hardware.

Sure, but you could argue that custom machines that are specifically built for AO4 may belong in their own section on the site, because they're Amiga related (while not being actual Amigas). Obviously, macs and pcs don't belong there at all.

but my definition of Amiga is broader.

Your definition of Amiga is irrelevant, because the makers of the original Amiga computers got to decide what an Amiga is, not you. The last Amigas are therefore the AGA Amigas. What you, me, or anyone else thinks, is entirely irrelevant.

[vox]

Sure, but you could argue that custom machines that are specifically built for AO4 may belong in their own section on the site, because they're Amiga related (while not being actual Amigas). Obviously, macs and pcs don't belong there at all.
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Surely, we agree on that - point is not to replace old Amigas, but to show what is today relevant.
Idea is not to replace / alter past, but add some continuation to it

Your definition of Amiga is irrelevant, because the makers of the  original Amiga computers got to decide what an Amiga is, not you. The  last Amigas are therefore the AGA Amigas. What you, me, or anyone else  thinks, is entirely irrelevant

In same manner, it was decided that AmigaOne is a successor line.

I wouldnt risk to say OS4 is official. It is officialy made by Hyperion,  and they "claim" it is the official "AmigaOS" but not "Amiga OS", and  that they have argued that they have some legal rights for that. And  then it runs on the "AmigaOne" but not on an "Amiga".

I wouldnt risk to say OS4 is official. It is officialy made by Hyperion,  and they "claim" it is the official "AmigaOS" but not "Amiga OS", and  that they have argued that they have some legal rights for that. And  then it runs on the "AmigaOne" but not on an "Amiga".

I would risk to say it is official, but that alone isn`t making it any advance to other two branches. Its AmigaOS (not Amiga OS) just because that is trademark allowed. AmigaOne is similarly, official successor of Amiga, but that doesn`t make Efika/Pegasos/AROS system any less what they are and not less Amiga related.

[Methuselas]

From a technology point of view, does OS4 have anything that MorphOS or AROS even need?

[cue Mario theme]

The Frieden Bros.

[Methuselas]

As far as I am concerned, the BBoAH should really only contain information about hardware built specifically for the original Amiga machines. So, while info about a particular PCI expansion bus is useful, I don't feel there's any value in including information about generic PCI cards you'd put in there. Possible exceptions to that rule being perhaps lists of known compatible devices.

Regarding "NG", it's a bit muddier. Nobody can seriously claim that OS4, MorphOS and AROS aren't anything to do with the Amiga (though many try), so in my view it's fair to include information about hardware purpose-built to run these operating systems. So stuff like the A1, Pegasos, Efika, Sam and so forth are all valid entries.

Of course, generic PC's and PPC based macs are as much commodity hardware as anything else, so I don't feel there's a need to include them because as with vanilla PCI cards, it's all already out there. However, it would certainly be useful to include information about, for example, which specific models are supported. If you want a fully supported MorphOS, AROS or Amithlon box, it would be an ideal resource to check.

+1

Sums it up quite nicely.

[vox]

+1

Sums it up quite nicely.

Yes, but AmigaOne is hardware specifically built for Amiga(OS)

Anyway, I am preparing X1000 entry for this weekend.

[magnetic]

The funny thing about all this is that Morphos should be considered "the real amiga ng" because the morphos team is made up of some of the best classic amiga developers. If it wasnt for morphos team there would have been no NG amiga. Look into these guys are and what they did for classic amigas (ppc hardware, gui toolkit, cybergrafx, first usb stack etc etc etc etc)

as a matter of fact if you look into old amiga magazines the pegasos and morphos was going to be "amiga os4"

[Methuselas]

Yes, but AmigaOne is hardware specifically built for Amiga(OS)

So what? What do you want? A frakking cookie?


There is *NO* difference between AROS, MorphOS or "AmigaOS(tm)". Please get your head out of your arse and quit with the elitist mentality. If you wish to put details regarding "AmigaOS" hardware on BBoAH, then you need to do it for all of them, 'cos every one of the Big 3 are the "successor" to Amiga OS 3.1......

Frakking zealots..... :anger:

[EDIT] - And *PLEASE* spare us the whole "But Hyperion won the case against Amiga Inc. and are the chosen ones" bs.....

[magnetic]

methuslas you are right

[nicholas]

The funny thing about all this is that Morphos should be considered "the real amiga ng" because the morphos team is made up of some of the best classic amiga developers. If it wasnt for morphos team there would have been no NG amiga. Look into these guys are and what they did for classic amigas (ppc hardware, gui toolkit, cybergrafx, first usb stack etc etc etc etc)

as a matter of fact if you look into old amiga magazines the pegasos and morphos was going to be "amiga os4"

The MorphOS team is made up of the cream of the crop when it comes to Amiga developers.  Who are the OS4 team? The only one I've heard of that developed good stuff in the old days is Olaf Barthel.

[persia]

The big book of Amiga Hardware should be be diluted with additions from the successor camps.  There should be successors to it, like the Big Book of AmigaOne Hardware and the Big Book of Morphos Hardware and the the Big Book of AROS hardware...

[klx300r]

Just let it go GrandMa.

+1, sheesh c'mon GrandMa:whack: