Re: "Volunteers to make OS4 HW entries for Big Book of Amiga HW"

[itix]

How about Mac Mini?

[vox]

Commodity PC motherboards without a single trace of Amiga HW inside of it, albeit with PPC CPU and built in much smaller volumes, are now being added to that list of real Amiga hardware, just as you wanted. And of course *ONLY* those who runs OS4! Which is very "positive" indeed! None of the other NG systems that *also* runs on commodity HW (just like OS4), no, they are *explicitly singled out*, since there isn't "any connection between Aros/MorphOS and AmigaOS". They aren't "teh reel!!1!", it's as simple as that! It's there, in black on white! I just knew that the "MorphOS and AROS isn't related to Amiga" card would be played out, some people never misses an opportunity like this, and this has been a very "positive" experience indeed Vox!

:rolleyes:

Like I said before and original question included MorphOS too, I do believe at least Peg and Efika deserve the same. I don`t share the criteria of only OS4 offered.

Yes, this has been "very positive" experience for me.

Never again should I publicly ask for help here.

On having no HW connection to old Amiga, I am intersted to hear what people expected - AGA chipset maybe or Zorro bus?

[takemehomegrandma]

How about Mac Mini?

Yes indeed! That one is way more "custom HW" than any of the "new entries" on that list, it even has its own custom motherboard form factor instead of the standard ATX/MicroATX/ITX/etc, it's built using a custom design (by Apple) "Intrepid" NorthBridge controller, etc.

Heck, it even boots OS4!

:lol:

[nicholas]

Heck, it even boots OS4!

:lol:

I've been waiting all day for someone to mention that. lol

[takemehomegrandma]

Yes, this has been "very positive" experience for me.

Never doubted it.

On having no HW connection to old Amiga, I am intersted to hear what people expected - AGA chipset maybe or Zorro bus?

You still don't get it, despite what a gazillion of people has told you already on this site, on AW.net and on moobunny. So I won't bother again. It's not possible to get through to you, you aren't listening.

Well, now that we have been reminded again that MorphOS and AROS has no connection to Amiga OS other than the API and that none of its HW should be on the same list as OS4 hardware for this reason — let's talk about cooperation! Wouldn't it be cool if the MorphOS developers and the AROS developers could join forces with OS4 to create OS5? Wasn't it you who said that?

:lol:

[nicholas]

Never doubted it.



You still don't get it, despite what a gazillion of people has told you already on this site, on AW.net and on moobunny. So I won't bother again. It's not possible to get through to you, you aren't listening.

Well, now that we have been reminded again that MorphOS and AROS has no connection to Amiga OS other than the API and that none of its HW should be on the same list as OS4 hardware for this reason — let's talk about cooperation! Wouldn't it be cool if the MorphOS developers and the AROS developers could join forces with OS4 to create OS5? Wasn't it you who said that?

:lol:

From a technology point of view, does OS4 have anything that MorphOS or AROS even need?

[Thorham]

It is always a nice thing to call things by their actual name.

Yeah, that's right. No one calls a Ford a Mitsubishi. These people don't realize the mess we'd be in if everyone just started calling things whatever they wanted.

[Thorham]

Well, now that we have been reminded again that MorphOS and AROS has no connection to Amiga OS other than the API and that none of its HW should be on the same list as OS4 hardware for this reason

Bad reason indeed. A better reason is perhaps that PC and Mac hardware don't belong on an Amiga page, because PCs and Macs aren't related to the Amiga. Saying Aros and MorphOS have nothing to do with Amiga is of course plain nonsense.

[nicholas]

Bad reason indeed. A better reason is perhaps that PC and Mac hardware don't belong on an Amiga page, because PCs and Macs aren't related to the Amiga. Saying Aros and MorphOS have nothing to do with Amiga is of course plain nonsense.

Should 3DFX Voodoo Cards and ATI Radeons be on an Amiga hardware page? Creative Labs Soundblaster Cards?

[dammy]

You still don't get it, despite what a gazillion of people has told you already on this site, on AW.net and on moobunny. So I won't bother again. It's not possible to get through to you, you aren't listening.

Now your catching on.

[vox]

Never doubted it.

You still don't get it, despite what a gazillion of people has told you already on this site, on AW.net and on moobunny. So I won't bother again. It's not possible to get through to you, you aren't listening.
:lol:

I just don`t agree with you as to me AmigaNG hardware is also new Amiga hardware. Its just not Classic hardware, but my definition of Amiga is broader.

Well, now that we have been reminded again that MorphOS and AROS has no  connection to Amiga OS other than the API and that none of its HW should  be on the same list as OS4 hardware for this reason — let's talk about  cooperation! Wouldn't it be cool if the MorphOS developers and the AROS  developers could join forces with OS4 to create OS5? Wasn't it you who  said that?

These are my words, but it wasn`t me who said that MOS and AROS had no connection to AOS. So you are blaming me for something, I haven`t told.

However, you are right about one thing - I have no dream of reuniting people and OSs anymore, its obvious not even common problems and heritage doesn`t help at all.

Its all thank you folks for your attention. Its not my purpose to be Moo star.

[wawrzon]

my definition of Amiga is broader.

then go and make your own site on the subject of your amiga definitions instead bothering us with it. just go away and leave us alone, will you?

[cgutjahr]

It is not. Get over it, Amiga, is long dead since the nineties.

What's that got to do with anything I said? I refuted the claim that AmigaOS 4 is "more officially Amiga" only in the eyes of some religious zealots - it is actually more official than its 'competitors'.

That doesn't mean it's a better product, or still relevant or whatever else. It just means it's more official. And if that's really important to somebody, so be it.

It is always a nice thing to call things by their actual name.

Exactly, which is why there's one official AmigaOS and two clones - which are collectively referred to as "the Amiga systems" on Amiga-News.de, similar to "the Unix systems" which is also a family of more or less compatible operating systems, some official, some clones.

[Karlos]

As far as I am concerned, the BBoAH should really only contain information about hardware built specifically for the original Amiga machines. So, while info about a particular PCI expansion bus is useful, I don't feel there's any value in including information about generic PCI cards you'd put in there. Possible exceptions to that rule being perhaps lists of known compatible devices.

Regarding "NG", it's a bit muddier. Nobody can seriously claim that OS4, MorphOS and AROS aren't anything to do with the Amiga (though many try), so in my view it's fair to include information about hardware purpose-built to run these operating systems. So stuff like the A1, Pegasos, Efika, Sam and so forth are all valid entries.

Of course, generic PC's and PPC based macs are as much commodity hardware as anything else, so I don't feel there's a need to include them because as with vanilla PCI cards, it's all already out there. However, it would certainly be useful to include information about, for example, which specific models are supported. If you want a fully supported MorphOS, AROS or Amithlon box, it would be an ideal resource to check.

[nicholas]

As far as I am concerned, the BBoAH should really only contain information about hardware built specifically for the original Amiga machines. So, while info about a particular PCI expansion bus is useful, I don't feel there's any value in including information about generic PCI cards you'd put in there. Possible exceptions to that rule being perhaps lists of known compatible devices.

Regarding "NG", it's a bit muddier. Nobody can seriously claim that OS4, MorphOS and AROS aren't anything to do with the Amiga (though many try),

For me it's not that these three OS's have nothing to do with the Amiga but that the hardware they run on (With the exception of those machines with Phase5 accelerators and AROS 68k builds) are not Amigas, therefore said hardware doesn't belong on a site that is supposed to be documenting Amiga specific hardware.

so in my view it's fair to include information about hardware purpose-built to run these operating systems. So stuff like the A1, Pegasos, Efika, Sam and so forth are all valid entries.

I'm not convinced, should Amiga DE devices like the Sharp Zaurus be included too? DE was the official succesor OS to the 68k Amiga OS at one point afterall, just as official if not moreso than OS4, despite it having nothing in common with the 68k OS nor even running on any 68k hardware.

Of course, generic PC's and PPC based macs are as much commodity hardware as anything else, so I don't feel there's a need to include them because as with vanilla PCI cards, it's all already out there. However, it would certainly be useful to include information about, for example, which specific models are supported. If you want a fully supported MorphOS, AROS or Amithlon box, it would be an ideal resource to check.

Isn't that easily available from amigaos.net or morphos-team.net etc already?

In the end it's up to the site owner what content he puts on it.  Those of us who believe Amigas were only ever manufactured by CBM and Escom will never be convinced otherwise and vice-versa.

[bloodline]

I am far and away A.org's most vocal and (IMO ) important AROS supporter... But I don't see how it is relevant to the bboah discussion. AROS is Amiga Software, it doesn't matter what it runs on (pretty much everything BTW)

my point is, that the hardware database should be for Hardware that is related to "Amiga Hardware", it's lovely that our new modern "super" AmigaOS clones can run on x amount of hardware, but that is a special feature of them, it doesn't really make the hardware they run on "Amiga Hardware"