Re: "Volunteers to make OS4 HW entries for Big Book of Amiga HW"

[takemehomegrandma]

Let's keep perspective on this, please. Putting in a section for AmigaOs or Amiga OS or MorphOS or AROS isn't going to make Baby $deity cry

As long you include all flavours I'm fine with it

Agree with Blizz there - going to include one, make sure the rest of the comparable NG systems are covered.

Well, in that thread people were called trolls, people were called narrow minded because they felt it to be wrong to mix common commodity HW with true Amiga HW. The naivety shown about the intentions by some in that thread was hilarious. Well, theoretical discussions like the quotes above aside — what systems will *really* qualify? Not in discussions on amiga.org, but in cold reality, according to the site admin?

bitman:   Current BBoAH considerations is:

Sam: Custom HW, runs AmigaOS natively (OS4)
X1000: Has name "Amiga", Custom HW, runs AmigaOS natively (OS4)
Pegasos: Custom HW, Runs AmigaOS natively (OS4)
AmigaOne 500: Has name "Amiga", Custom HW, runs AmigaOS natively (OS4)
MiniMig: Custom HW, Runs AmigaOS natively (Amiga OS)

Running AmigaOS natively - is without host OS and not under emulation requiring a host OS.

With AmigaOS I mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS (Amiga OS 1.0-3.9, plus OS4)


blizz1220:    So IMica AresOne Efika Pegasos and other "custom" hardware would be accepted? Or would only AmigaOS 4 hardware be accepted to enter the site ?


bitman:    I did not mention Amiga OS 4 specifically - if a piece of custom hardware runs AmigaOS (any version) natively, I think it would qualify.


blizz1220:    Maybe "custom hardware" should be replaced by "dedicated hardware" as to include Aros and Morphos machines ?


bitman:    I personally don't see any connection between Aros/MorphOS and AmigaOS other than API compatability.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=38055&forum=2&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0

So in the end it was/becomes nothing else than what many of us predicted from the beginning — some kind of stunt in favor of OS4, to make it and its HW a little more "teh true!!1!" compared to the other NG alternatives, to blur the line between "Commodore Amiga" and "NG" a little more, but only regarding OS4, they are very explicit about that! Vox (etc) can now say, with a little more weight behind their words than before, that "I'm teh reel!!1! you are not!!1!", and the Amiga Apartheid has taken one more step in the wrong direction. Goal reached, cased closed. And thread locked.

:rolleyes:

[vox]

Well, in that thread people were called trolls, people were called narrow minded because they felt it to be wrong to mix common commodity HW with true Amiga HW. The naivety shown about the intentions by some in that thread was hilarious. Well, theoretical discussions like the quotes above aside — what systems will *really* qualify? Not in discussions on amiga.org, but in cold reality, according to the site admin?

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=38055&forum=2&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0

So in the end it was/becomes nothing else than what many of us predicted from the beginning — some kind of stunt in favor of OS4, to make it and its HW a little more "teh true!!1!" compared to the other NG alternatives, to blur the line between "Commodore Amiga" and "NG" a little more, but only regarding OS4, they are very explicit about that! Vox (etc) can now say, with a little more weight behind their words than before, that "I'm teh reel!!1! you are not!!1!", and the Amiga Apartheid has taken one more step in the wrong direction. Goal reached, cased closed. And thread locked.

:rolleyes:

My personal opinion is that all community driven project deserve entry - including Efika, Pegasos 1, as far as iMica and AresOne. But I am not a BBOH maintaner, and line was put just to OS4 compatibile systems. I don`t feel being anymore Amigan then MorphOS or AROS user. AROS only makes it tricky since its extremely portable (like the phone Nicolas presented).

Website is dedicated to hardware that was made to run AmigaOS and any refreshment is good. Hope more boards will find the way to BBOAH including FPGA Arcade.

My idea is to show that post Commodore evolution did happen thanks to enthusiastic companies and individuals, no supermacy there.

We will see will maintainer stretch his definition - however I must say that no MorphOS user showed interest (in fact attacked the idea at all) to make an Pegasos or Efika entry. I cannot do it, simply because I don`t have the board, and and BBOAH is bit more then just puting the hardware info - real high res pictures, manuals etc.

Maybe a desire to make an entry would make him change the mind,
not just negativity.

As in nice modern roots tune - Positive Action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AIZEh3hzpQ

As usual, my personal corner is that CUSA Amiga Mini doesn`t belong there as no Amiga related OS was supplied with it. Its a matter of concept, not name. As well as I do know only EdPonPon that has one - I believe not even a Dammy has one :-)

[Pyromania]

@Vox

Not only that the CUSA Amiga Mini did not even include an emulator or anyway to run any version of Amiga OS at all. It was a true slap a name on a PC and see if it sells. I'm glad it's gone for good. No need for the confusion and what a lazy way to sell a fake Amiga!

[nicholas]

Well, in that thread people were called trolls, people were called narrow minded because they felt it to be wrong to mix common commodity HW with true Amiga HW. The naivety shown about the intentions by some in that thread was hilarious. Well, theoretical discussions like the quotes above aside — what systems will *really* qualify? Not in discussions on amiga.org, but in cold reality, according to the site admin?



http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=38055&forum=2&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0

So in the end it was/becomes nothing else than what many of us predicted from the beginning — some kind of stunt in favor of OS4, to make it and its HW a little more "teh true!!1!" compared to the other NG alternatives, to blur the line between "Commodore Amiga" and "NG" a little more, but only regarding OS4, they are very explicit about that! Vox (etc) can now say, with a little more weight behind their words than before, that "I'm teh reel!!1! you are not!!1!", and the Amiga Apartheid has taken one more step in the wrong direction. Goal reached, cased closed. And thread locked.

:rolleyes:

But but but t3h reel, you nasty troll!

The most amusing thing to me is that this fork of BBOAH by the true believers doesn't even work with Amiga web browsers.

[vox]

But but but t3h reel, you nasty troll!

The most amusing thing to me is that this fork of BBOAH by the true believers doesn't even work with Amiga web browsers.

There is no supermacism in such position. There is a slight adventage of AmigaOS name, but people should know better.

 If people think (as I do) dedicated AROS and MorphOS boards do deserve an entry, why not first trying to make one? That is a positive way of pressuring, instead of seeing "supermacism" and "conspiracies" everywhere.

Web browsers for Amiga will improve, hopefully. It does work in OWB-MUI if that is the answer, but that is not an Classic browser (which is only Amiga for you?)

[Terminills]

@Vox

Not only that the CUSA Amiga Mini did not even include an emulator or anyway to run any version of Amiga OS at all. It was a true slap a name on a PC and see if it sells. I'm glad it's gone for good. No need for the confusion and what a lazy way to sell a fake Amiga!

It included UAE

And besides everyone know the real way to sell a fake Amiga is to include a fake Amigaos sheesh.   What I do personally is I set this to launch on startup.  http://www.chiptune.com/ .

[nicholas]

Blah blah, repeat BS over and over again

That forked OS4 fanatic site doesn't even work with Odyssey.

Oh and there is no advantage to the name, the antics of the companies involved and of the cheerleaders over the last 13 years have made it a laughing stock.

I own the same Trademark in the very country you live in, your X1000 and it's OS infringe on my rights. Perhaps I should contact the relevant authorities and have it stopped at customs and denied entry.

Maybe I will, maybe I won't.

[vox]

Blah blah, repeat BS over and over again

That forked OS4 fanatic site doesn't even work with Odyssey.

Oh and there is no advantage to the name, the antics of the companies involved and of the cheerleaders over the last 13 years have made it a laughing stock.

I own the same Trademark in the very country you live in, your X1000 and it's OS infringe on my rights. Perhaps I should contact the relevant authorities and have it stopped at customs and denied entry.

Maybe I will, maybe I won't.

Surely, extremely positive attitude, serves the purpose.

However, I keep my rights to address the Amiga Kraljevo in any case :-)
http://www.amiga.rs/

They could do something really constructive.

[nicholas]

Surely, extremely positive attitude, serves the purpose.

However, I keep my rights to address the Amiga Kraljevo in any case :-)
http://www.amiga.rs/

They could do something really constructive.

Let's follow the lead of the western rights holders.

I feel a lawsuit  brewing between Commodore Amiga Iran and Amiga Srpska. Let's hope it drags on for years and destroys the brand name even further.

It would be a fitting tribute.

[cgutjahr]

stunt in favor of OS4, to make it and its HW a little more "teh true!!1!" compared to the other NG alternatives

Nobody has to make it "a little more the true", it actually is.

That doesn't mean it should be in the Amiga hardware book, of course. But what we really don't need is another thread where you're discussing why your god has much bigger genitals than ours.

Amiga Apartheid

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

You really miss the old flamewars, I take it.

[yssing]

Just let it go GrandMa.

[nicholas]

@Vox

Not only that the CUSA Amiga Mini did not even include an emulator or anyway to run any version of Amiga OS at all. It was a true slap a name on a PC and see if it sells. I'm glad it's gone for good. No need for the confusion and what a lazy way to sell a fake Amiga!

While I agree with your assesment of CUSA (They were the entire reason I registered Commodore Amiga in Iran "for the lolz"), they did have a genuine legal right to use the trademark that they paid for in good faith.

They didn't try to steal the trademark by nefarious means or court cases.

[Gulliver]

Nobody has to make it "a little more the true", it actually is.

It is not. Get over it, Amiga, is long dead since the nineties.
Today we have new Amiga-like systems, which some are really cool, and try to follow what they believe would nowadays be the Amiga concept. But they are not "the real Amiga thing" just because a bunch of former software developers, rabid users, and marketing people wish to. And it is nothing wrong or devious of assuming some computer is Amiga-like, it is great to have them, and shows the strong influence the Amiga had in the computing world, despite the fact it died at a young age

It is always a nice thing to call things by their actual name.

[takemehomegrandma]

not just negativity

Commodity PC motherboards without a single trace of Amiga HW inside of it, albeit with PPC CPU and built in much smaller volumes, are now being added to that list of real Amiga hardware, just as you wanted. And of course *ONLY* those who runs OS4! Which is very "positive" indeed! None of the other NG systems that *also* runs on commodity HW (just like OS4), no, they are *explicitly singled out*, since there isn't "any connection between Aros/MorphOS and AmigaOS". They aren't "teh reel!!1!", it's as simple as that! It's there, in black on white! I just knew that the "MorphOS and AROS isn't related to Amiga" card would be played out, some people never misses an opportunity like this, and this has been a very "positive" experience indeed Vox!

:rolleyes:

[itix]

How about Mac Mini?