Wanted: Volunteers to make OS4 and MOS hardware entries for Big Book of Amiga Hardw

[nicholas]

Agreed here. Cover the systems that are designed at least partially with Amiga-likes in mind (e.g. Sam440ep, EFIKA), or that were chosen as "official" hardware in times of need (e.g. A1XE, iMica), as well as of course machines dedicated for Amigalikes (X1000, Pegasos 1, Peg 2). Put them in a seperate section for "Post-Commodore hardware running Amiga-like OSes" so it doesn't affect the rest of the BBoAH and most people will be happy.

So should we add all the PCI/AGP/PCI-E Nvidia and ATI video cards supported by Amiga+Mediator|Grex|Prometheus/AROS/OS4/MorphOS?  All of the various USB devices supported by Poseidon?

"No" is the answer as none of these are specific to Amiga computers.

[number6]

There are four "camps".

Amiga + Amiga OS
AmigaOne + AmigaOS
Various hardware + MorphOS
Various hardware + AROS

Surely we can overcomplicate this further...
Sam440 was not rebranded as AmigaOne and Sam460 is listed as AmigaOne 500 (for systems) from Acube but as SAM460EX BASIC SYSTEM from Amigakit.

Heh.

#6

[nicholas]

Surely we can overcomplicate this further...
Sam440 was not rebranded as AmigaOne and Sam460 is listed as AmigaOne 500 (for systems) from Acube but as SAM460EX BASIC SYSTEM from Amigakit.

Heh.

#6

If non-AmigaOne branded hardware like the Sam440 are considered Amigas by the faithful does that mean the Pegasos II is also an Amiga?

Because they were VERY vocal about it not being an Amiga prior to 2010.

[wawrzon]

:roflmao:

To everyone--those who think 'sacrilege' about commodity parts, those who see PPC as Amiga or not Amiga, etc.--the question one should ask is: "Does it run AMIGA OS?" In these (hopefully) modern times, the OS should matter more. Things done "the Amiga way".

sacriledge.. sigh. its just a fact that hardware wise an amiga is just what it is.. commodore amiga. it has its custom architecture and custom standards not to encounter anywhere else, and thats the information that needs to be preserved and documented. ppc hardware doesnt fit with any genuine amiga hardware and its parts. it isnt even particularly unique as its usually based on third party reference designs. there is no practical reason to list it along the genuine amigas.

I think some limit "the Amiga" by restricting it to (maybe fabled by now) custom silicon. What's custom, anymore? Really.

More importantly, what would be 'the Amiga philosophy', when it comes to hardware? Being able to take advantage of what's there, and use it in the simplest way? The most efficient manner?

then amiga would have to be what aros is today. right? yet i dont think any aros developer feels an urge to include his system in amiga hardware reference.

A site for the Big Book Of Amiga Hardware is a good idea.

It's probably more relevant to think: what hardware is 'Amiga OS specific'? Or can be utilized by Amiga OS. If/when that becomes every piece of OS out there, so much the better--it'll show the diversity, and I would say advantage of Amiga OS, but then an operating system can be made to use whatever hardware there is out there (and that only takes willpower, aside from money, to do that).

but then you must differentiate between incompatible system architectures. you cant run genuine amiga system on any ppc or x86 board, as well as you cant run mos or os4 on genuine amigas except equipped with a ppc expansion (while you can run aros admittedly). you cant exchange software between amiga, mos, os4 and aros without porting is.so it doesnt make sense to pretend these systems are all one thing.

:biglaugh: I think Amigan 'purists' are insane now. The 'Amiga' fish used to rule the old pond it was in; but along came a PC tsunami and left us all with an open sea. To not build a 'bigger boat'--to want that 'Amiga' fish to continue seeing the pond and hoping to rule it anymore--is foolish. When times change, you change with them, or get changed to the past forever.

but amiga is what it is, what it ever was, you will not change it to the opposite pretending its bigger than it is. information hosted on the web should reflect factual state of affairs not  intentions and wishes of individuals within the wider community.

[wawrzon]

Surely we can overcomplicate this further...
Sam440 was not rebranded as AmigaOne and Sam460 is listed as AmigaOne 500 (for systems) from Acube but as SAM460EX BASIC SYSTEM from Amigakit.

Heh.

#6

reminds me of a disney book i had as a child where an squirrel fell in love with a skunk and painted a stripe on its back to pretend being one too. the skunk has not bees as easily fooled as some wannabe "amiga" fans.

[koaftder]

I don't see what the big deal is about adding NG kit to the site would be. It could get its own little section and would have absolutely no usability impact for the folks who go there looking for classic stuff.

[nicholas]

I don't see what the big deal is about adding NG kit to the site would be. It could get its own little section and would have absolutely no usability impact for the folks who go there looking for classic stuff.

It's also about the intention behind Vox wanting to do this.

It's religious, no matter what he may claim to the contrary.

Should I as a Muslim who accepts Jesus Christ as the Messiah try to have Islamic stuff added to an encyclopedia of Christianity just because we have a shared heritage? No, it's a ridiculous idea just like this one.

Vox is so desperate to justify his purchase of an X1000 as being a genuine Amiga he is on a personal crusade to rewrite history.

CUSA had a legitimate licence of the Amiga trademark yet Vox went ballistic in his previous crusade against them as not being worthy of the holy name.

He is a hypocrite of the highest order.

As the CEO of Commodore Amiga Iran and sole legitimate owner of the Trademark "Amiga" in the Non-Aligned Movement, I hereby bestow unlimited and irrevocable licences upon the members of Amiga.org to retroactively apply the Amiga trademark to their own personal kitchen toaster and post photos and technical details on BBOAH.

[Fats]

There are four "camps".

Amiga + Amiga OS
AmigaOne + AmigaOS
Various hardware + MorphOS
Various hardware + AROS

Don't forget my camp. People having OS3.x+OS4.x+MOS+AROS machines.

[number6]

As the CEO of Commodore Amiga Iran and sole legitimate owner of the Trademark "Amiga" in the Non-Aligned Movement, I hereby bestow unlimited and irrevocable licences upon the members of Amiga.org to retroactively apply the Amiga trademark to their own personal kitchen toaster and post photos and technical details on BBOAH.

Not the best example, since a toaster -would- probably be in an Amiga, whether in the kitchen or elsewhere. Heh.

Let's go with Amiga® Jacuzzi instead:

http://www.tubz.com/jacuzzi_amiga.htm

#6

[koaftder]

It's also about the intention behind Vox wanting to do this.

It's religious, no matter what he may claim to the contrary.

Should I as a Muslim who accepts Jesus Christ as the Messiah try to have Islamic stuff added to an encyclopedia of Christianity just because we have a shared heritage? No, it's a ridiculous idea just like this one.

Vox is so desperate to justify his purchase of an X1000 as being a genuine Amiga he is on a personal crusade to rewrite history.

CUSA had a legitimate licence of the Amiga trademark yet Vox went ballistic in his previous crusade against them as not being worthy of the holy name.

He is a hypocrite of the highest order.

As the CEO of Commodore Amiga Iran and sole legitimate owner of the Trademark "Amiga" in the Non-Aligned Movement, I hereby bestow unlimited and irrevocable licences upon the members of Amiga.org to retroactively apply the Amiga trademark to their own personal kitchen toaster and post photos and technical details on BBOAH.

CUSA had a serious lack of fans in any camp. Pretty much universally hated by everyone, so I don't see any reason to hold Vox to higher standards there.

Who cares what his intentions are? Is this about Vox, or is it about whether or not NG stuff should be added to the site?

I don't see how it makes a lick of difference if we have a few NG boards up on there, it certainly won't detract from anything.

[nicholas]

Don't forget my camp. People having OS3.x+OS4.x+MOS+AROS machines.

There are four individual camps as stated above, some may "belong" to more than one. As do I, currently to only 3 of them because I sold my BPPC and can no longer run OS4.

Better?

[nicholas]

CUSA had a serious lack of fans in any camp. Pretty much universally hated by everyone, so I don't see any reason to hold Vox to higher standards there.

Who cares what his intentions are?

I care and I'm not the only one either.

[nicholas]

Not the best example, since a toaster -would- probably be in an Amiga, whether in the kitchen or elsewhere. Heh.

Let's go with Amiga® Jacuzzi instead:

http://www.tubz.com/jacuzzi_amiga.htm

#6

I chose toaster for a reason.

[bitman]

NG Amiga OS hardware in BBoAH has been on the to-do list for a very long time....

Please note - I have classic only myself.

[Thorham]

the question one should ask is: "Does it run AMIGA OS?"

Absolutely not. My pc can run Amiga OS, and is NOT an Amiga.

In these (hopefully) modern times, the OS should matter more. Things done "the Amiga way".

Amiga is the name of a computer from history, it refers to HARDWARE, and the OS is irrelevant.

I think some limit "the Amiga" by restricting it to (maybe fabled by now) custom silicon.

But that's what Amigas are. They're computers based on custom (chipset), and not so custom hardware (68k).

It's probably more relevant to think: what hardware is 'Amiga OS specific'?

No, it's not. General purpose computers are never OS specific. Amiga OS specific hardware doesn't exist, and that includes actual Amigas.

:biglaugh: I think Amigan 'purists' are insane now.

You're calling people insane for pointing out that Amigas are computers from a few decades ago, and not accept the whole 'If it runs anything that even just looks like Amiga OS, then it's an Amiga' thing. It's you guys who need to wake up and stop wanting your non-Amiga computers to magically become Amigas, because it ain't ever gonna happen.

And no, people who know what Amigas really are (is that even such a difficult thing to know?), will not call your non-Amiga computers Amigas just because you want the machines to be Amigas.

When times change, you change with them, or get changed to the past forever.

Amiga IS the past (in the sense that they haven't been made for a long time). Just like the Atari ST, Commodore 64, MSX, ZX Spectrum, and all other home computers from the eighties.

[nicholas]

NG Amiga OS hardware in BBoAH has been on the to-do list for a very long time....

Please note - I have classic only myself.

Ah, is this the new BBOAH announced a few months back.

What do the other BBOAH(s) that have been running longer have to say? In particular the one run by Germans that took over from the original when it closed its doors?

I count three/four at least. Which one is yours?

http://www.amiga-hardware.com/
http://www.bboah.com/
http://www.bboah-works.de/
http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/