Wanted: Volunteers to make OS4 and MOS hardware entries for Big Book of Amiga Hardw

[Blizz1220]

OMG are you for real? Who are *you* to make decisions and definitions on behalf of an entire community?

:confused:

It's the boing ball fever , no known cure for that

Vox if you don't include all three camps there will be a war :furious:

As long you include all flavours I'm fine with it :laughing:

[vox]

Maybe because it's simply wrong?

OMG are you for real? Who are *you* to make decisions and definitions on behalf of an entire community?

:confused:

Or maybe because people are laisy and willing to troll?

No, I am not, I am simply trying to add to BBOAH what were 21st century developments.

No one is community alone, but again, why spitting over something that was developed for that community? Because its not CBM made (quite a lot of expansions aren`t), don`t have Amiga name (again, some latter Amiga clones didn`t have it) or just because OS was ported to PPC so it isn`t 68k?

There is no reasonable justification for exclusion of newer hardware.

We`ll see in time, how many new entries will be made.

First step seems to be important and quite hard :-)

What was the commercial - most friendly community?

[vox]

I applaud your efforts and would be happy to provide AmigaOne X1000 shots for you.

Thanks, AmigaOne x1000 done :-)

@nicholas:
+1
@vox

whats the use of it? can you stop stupid actionism? you start to behave  as if amiga were your sole property. have you even asked anybody if your  idea be appreciated? bet not.

No, its not my sole property. Idea is to update BBOAH. Some will appriciate, some will not. That is life. But something will happen after all.

[Duce]

Agree with Blizz there - going to include one, make sure the rest of the comparable NG systems are covered.

[spirantho]

Agree with Blizz there - going to include one, make sure the rest of the comparable NG systems are covered.

Agreed here. Cover the systems that are designed at least partially with Amiga-likes in mind (e.g. Sam440ep, EFIKA), or that were chosen as "official" hardware in times of need (e.g. A1XE, iMica), as well as of course machines dedicated for Amigalikes (X1000, Pegasos 1, Peg 2). Put them in a seperate section for "Post-Commodore hardware running Amiga-like OSes" so it doesn't affect the rest of the BBoAH and most people will be happy.

[vox]

this all has nothing to do with practical reasoning. its just publicity stunt by an os4 vocal supporter. if yox really intended to gather a useful database of technical reference he could open his own site. however se sure wouldnt bother to do that as the only reason is to mix up the os4 systems under genuine amigas and therefore to misguide the unaware visitors, that the hardware in question has anything in common.

there were actions like this before, just to name the famous amiga developers lists where the genuine inventors are named in one breath with sdl porters. its just sad and certainly puts more people off than anything else, but be my guest.

No, its not a holy war against anyone. And why opening new website if there is well established credible source existing?

Hardware mentioned has something in common, its AmigaOS.

List that you mention at Amigaos.net is LIST OF ALL PEOPLE WHO CONTRIBUTED TO AMIGAOS as it well explains. You might find it missleading, but please writte to website owners to separate up to OS 3.9 developers from OS 4 developers - even it actually gives credit to all people that have done something for AmigaOS.

Huh, if people knew PowerPC transition includes so much hate ...

It's the boing ball fever , no known cure for that

Vox if you don't include all three camps there will be a war :furious:

As long you include all flavours I'm fine with it :laughing:

Have the war without me, I`ll stop writting here.

Everyone can submit entries on your own, or PM me.

Thanks to Duce and ddniUK for willignes to aid the cause, and do something

Matt_H, Spirantho, Sysadmi, Nostalgiac and few other souls that do understand it :-)

Separate section will be kept so it doesn`t contamite the "pure".

Its the same little boat we do sink, and any idea of positive action is even dragged to mud (Blizz1220 can related to infamous Serbian cauldron in hell :-)

As far as I am concerned, all system should be covered under their sections, but who will do the work (BBOAH doesn`t allow 3rd party images, its best to have that hardware)

[yssing]

I do applaud the initiative, it would be great to have one place where supported hardware for NG systems is listed.
Maybe include links to the drivers?

[wawrzon]

Huh, if people knew PowerPC transition includes so much hate ...

the only logical step to extend the bboah database, if this is really necessary, would be to categorize it in four or even five sections:
1. genuine amiga and extensions
2. 68k clones
3. morphos hardware
4. aros hardware
5. os4 hardware

as i said, it doesnt make sense to mix up hardware and systems not compatible to each other into one category, with not interchangeable software and parts.

so if you caught fire, blame yourself, because it was you starting the whole mess not anyone else.
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[bloodline]

I use the bboah to look up old hardware that has been out of production for almost 20 years or more. Hardware that I would have used with my A500 or A1200. The site is invaluable for such a purpose, as there is no other resource out there where this information is available.

I would say that adding newer hardware is fine, but more often than not, there are plenty of other resource sites for this information as a duplication of effort in this regard seems a waste of time... That said, it's someone's hobby, let them add what they want... But be mindful that if the main reason or someone using a site becomes difficult and slow (hosting storage and bandwidth charges might go up etc), the majority of users might move on... you could be shooting yourself in the foot.

[wawrzon]

let them add what they want...

actually yes. nothing particular will come out of this. few people will show off what they consider "amiga" in an "official" database. hardly anyone will notice. things like that happened and went past without an impact. sigh..

[Thorham]

Have two sections: One for Amiga computers, and one for computers that are related to Amiga and Amiga OS. Problem solved.

[guest3110]

funny so all the classics running PPC boards to use AmigaOS are no longer Amigas:angry:

:roflmao:

To everyone--those who think 'sacrilege' about commodity parts, those who see PPC as Amiga or not Amiga, etc.--the question one should ask is: "Does it run AMIGA OS?" In these (hopefully) modern times, the OS should matter more. Things done "the Amiga way".

I think some limit "the Amiga" by restricting it to (maybe fabled by now) custom silicon. What's custom, anymore? Really.

More importantly, what would be 'the Amiga philosophy', when it comes to hardware? Being able to take advantage of what's there, and use it in the simplest way? The most efficient manner?

A site for the Big Book Of Amiga Hardware is a good idea.

It's probably more relevant to think: what hardware is 'Amiga OS specific'? Or can be utilized by Amiga OS. If/when that becomes every piece of OS out there, so much the better--it'll show the diversity, and I would say advantage of Amiga OS, but then an operating system can be made to use whatever hardware there is out there (and that only takes willpower, aside from money, to do that).

:biglaugh: I think Amigan 'purists' are insane now. The 'Amiga' fish used to rule the old pond it was in; but along came a PC tsunami and left us all with an open sea. To not build a 'bigger boat'--to want that 'Amiga' fish to continue seeing the pond and hoping to rule it anymore--is foolish. When times change, you change with them, or get changed to the past forever.

[nicholas]

@ Nik,


Troll! :smack:

Oh yeah, silly me, I forgot that when you tell the truth to the true believers it's trolling.

[nicholas]

+1

the whole action is nothing but another desperate attempt to crap all over the genuine amiga fans sandbox to spoil their game if they dont convert. and this just by individual actionists of some other system. im sorta tired of being haunted by freaks like that. as usual morphos users show more reason, integrity and respect to amiga legacy.

+1

[nicholas]

It's the boing ball fever , no known cure for that

Vox if you don't include all three camps there will be a war :furious:

As long you include all flavours I'm fine with it :laughing:

There are four "camps".

Amiga + Amiga OS
AmigaOne + AmigaOS
Various hardware + MorphOS
Various hardware + AROS

[nicholas]

Agreed here. Cover the systems that are designed at least partially with Amiga-likes in mind (e.g. Sam440ep, EFIKA), or that were chosen as "official" hardware in times of need (e.g. A1XE, iMica), as well as of course machines dedicated for Amigalikes (X1000, Pegasos 1, Peg 2). Put them in a seperate section for "Post-Commodore hardware running Amiga-like OSes" so it doesn't affect the rest of the BBoAH and most people will be happy.

So should we add all the PCI/AGP/PCI-E Nvidia and ATI video cards supported by Amiga+Mediator|Grex|Prometheus/AROS/OS4/MorphOS?  All of the various USB devices supported by Poseidon?

"No" is the answer as none of these are specific to Amiga computers.