Wanted: Volunteers to make OS4 and MOS hardware entries for Big Book of Amiga Hardw

[ddniUK]

I applaud your efforts and would be happy to provide AmigaOne X1000 shots for you.

[mechy]

These machines aren't Amigas therefore they should not be on the BBOAH.

I agree. Lets not contaminate the BBOAH with commodity HW.
If anything make a separate site.

[spirantho]

Why not just add a section for "machines designed for AmigaOS 4"? It won't take away anything from the rest of the site; if you don't want to see machines like Sams and X1000s just don't go into the new area.
It's not like there's anything sacred about 68k Amigas, they're all just machines designed to run AmigaOS on, or machines that were chosen to run AmigaOS on in the case of the A1XE: that includes 68k and PowerPC.

I would also include machines like the Peg 1 and 2 and Efika for MorphOS and the AROS machines like the iMica, but I would stop short of including generic PCs and Macs because they're covered by other websites; you have to draw the line somewhere, after all.

[Nostalgiac]

Why not just add a section for "machines designed for AmigaOS 4"? It won't take away anything from the rest of the site; if you don't want to see machines like Sams and X1000s just don't go into the new area.
It's not like there's anything sacred about 68k Amigas, they're all just machines designed to run AmigaOS on, or machines that were chosen to run AmigaOS on in the case of the A1XE: that includes 68k and PowerPC.

I would also include machines like the Peg 1 and 2 and Efika for MorphOS and the AROS machines like the iMica, but I would stop short of including generic PCs and Macs because they're covered by other websites; you have to draw the line somewhere, after all.

yap, I certainly agree... but as per usual most suspects favour in-fighting and bring everything down with them... sigh...

Tom UK

[nicholas]

yap, I certainly agree... but as per usual most suspects favour in-fighting and bring everything down with them... sigh...

Tom UK

Any hardware post-Escom is not an Amiga nor is any OS made by Hyperion allowed to be called "Amiga OS", this was made quite clear during the court case and accepted by both Amiga Inc and Hyperion.

Why is this so hard to accept for some people?

[vox]

Why not just add a section for "machines designed for AmigaOS 4"? It won't take away anything from the rest of the site; if you don't want to see machines like Sams and X1000s just don't go into the new area.
It's not like there's anything sacred about 68k Amigas, they're all just machines designed to run AmigaOS on, or machines that were chosen to run AmigaOS on in the case of the A1XE: that includes 68k and PowerPC.

I would also include machines like the Peg 1 and 2 and Efika for MorphOS and the AROS machines like the iMica, but I would stop short of including generic PCs and Macs because they're covered by other websites; you have to draw the line somewhere, after all.

Good.Can you do it for at least one board / model that you have? Hi res images and detailed tech description in BBOAH is needed. Thanks.

I would understand If it such resistance was by people that know not of anything that happened after 1994 I would understand. However, cant please all the people ...

Some of these boards like Eyetech and Genesi are already a history, and deserve a bit of preservation, even aren‚t made by CBM simply because it died.

Most of additional CBM Amiga hardware like SCSI, PCMCIA, RTG and AHI cards, PCI add on cards are also Commodity hardware, but aren‚t deleted. Neither are Draco or Minimig.

Point is it was made in connection to Amiga/alike OSs.

Any hardware post-Escom is not an Amiga nor is any OS made by Hyperion  allowed to be called "Amiga OS", this was made quite clear during the  court case and accepted by both Amiga Inc and Hyperion.

Why is this so hard to accept for some people?       

As well as AmigaOne is board series made to run AmigaOS as sucessor, being extension of Amiga on PPC arhitecture.

Why is this so hard to accept for some people? It was official at the time. Suddenly everyone has amnesia.

It is with great pleasure that we are able to announce the first new Amiga hardware in over 6 year

[Nostalgiac]

in-fighting.... go on... (last response here)

[nicholas]

As well as AmigaOne is board series made to run AmigaOS as sucessor, being extension of Amiga on PPC arhitecture.

AmigaOne != Amiga
AmigaOS  != Amiga OS

Please answer my questions regarding AROS hardware.

[Duce]

I see absolutely no harm in having pages for "Amiga NG Systems" or "Amiga like systems".  

They have pertinence and interest amongst the Amiga community.  Don't let narrow vision and crippling definitions of what one perceives as an "Amiga" keep helpful info off a site like BBOAH.

I can fire up my MOS machine or my SAM and run a classic Amiga program just fine, no emulation required.  I know neither machine has a C= logo on the case, I know they aren't Amiga's.  But are they of interest and in relation to the Amiga lineage?

I believe so.  

If having a SAM or MOS box on BBOAH is something that will keep you up nights, I truly worry about y'all, lol.

[vox]

AmigaOne != Amiga
AmigaOS  != Amiga OS

Please answer my questions regarding AROS hardware.

I believe iMica and AresOne deserve the entries, just don`t have the hardware to do high res pictures and entries.

Hardware architecture can and should change.

[nicholas]

I see absolutely no harm in having pages for "Amiga NG Systems" or "Amiga like systems".  

They have pertinence and interest amongst the Amiga community.  Don't let narrow vision and crippling definitions of what one perceives as an "Amiga" keep helpful info off a site like BBOAH.

I can fire up my MOS machine or my SAM and run a classic Amiga program just fine, no emulation required.  I know neither machine has a C= logo on the case, I know they aren't Amiga's.  But are they of interest and in relation to the Amiga lineage?

I believe so.  

If having a SAM or MOS box on BBOAH is something that will keep you up nights, I truly worry about y'all, lol.

It's about pollution.

[nicholas]

I believe iMica and AresOne deserve the entries, just don`t have the hardware to do high res pictures and entries.

Hardware architecture can and should change.

Why not my phone? It runs AROS just as well as those machines.

[vox]

Why not my phone? It runs AROS just as well as those machines.

No it doesn`t. That ground is we go for UAE since it runs Android and so on. Really universal thingie, but limited to OS up to 3.9.

To that, AROS/OS4/MorphOS represent step beyond.

Please demonstrate a phone that runs AROS, that would be really nice.

Pollution is not Amiga evolution, you have mixed it up with ecology.

Anyone that had to continue Amiga spirit had to abandon chipsets because it was hard concept to compete to developed gfx/sound market, as well as 68k was effectively replaced with PPC. And MorphOS and AmigaOS 4, in despite all of its difficulties, as well as AROS dedicated machines, serve to purpose with right hardware available at that time.

Why people that are versed in computer history, show need for revisiting commonly known places?

[nicholas]

No it doesn`t.

Yes it does.

http://netcologne.dl.sourceforge.net/project/aros/nightly/20130819/Binaries/AROS-20130819-android-arm-system.tar.bz2

[vox]

Yes it does.

http://netcologne.dl.sourceforge.net/project/aros/nightly/20130819/Binaries/AROS-20130819-android-arm-system.tar.bz2

Thanks, didn`t know there is AROS for Android

You are welcome to send an entry if you desire so. However, if I am correct, these are running AROS as VM, not natively, but nevermind.

[Duce]

It's about pollution.

Who is the ultimate judge on what constitutes "pollution"?  Who sets the bar as to purity?  Sort of subjective upon whoever is looking at things, no?

I've got very little interest in legacy Amiga stuff these days.  If someone was to post legacy machine info on a NG Amiga site I visit, would I be offended and call it "pollution"?  No.  I likely wouldn't read it if it held none of my interest and leave it at that.  Such a case would be loosely related to what I am interested in, but really offer me nothing, so I simply would skip over it just like I do the sports page in the morning newspaper.  Not my cup of tea, but certainly not "pollution" if someone gets value out of it even if I do not.

I know that sports section is there everyday in my newspaper, and that someone surely enjoys it even if I do not, and that's it's ultimately my choice to disregard it.  I don't lose sleep over that sports section, you know?

Whatever happened to people having the personal free will to just read what is interesting to them and ignore what they do not like, or what they are not interested in.