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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #59 from previous page: August 08, 2013, 01:48:23 AM »
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That would be quite a disappointment given that there were nearly 2.4 billion shipped in the last quarter alone!


2.4 billion *cores* quite possibly. Because just to make this extra confusing, ARM receives royalty per core and so the number of cores often gets thrown around rather than number of CPUs. Last year they were reported to have received royalties for something like 7.9 billion cores total for the year, shipped in the region of 2.5-3 billion CPUs.
 

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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #60 on: August 08, 2013, 02:34:02 AM »
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The main thing here, has to be the alliance between IBM, nVidia and Google


That makes it sound like they are collaborating together on a single project.

They are not.

It's more like they are members of the same club, each for their own benefit.
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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #61 on: August 08, 2013, 02:47:26 AM »
Mutal explotation :P
 

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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2013, 03:27:13 AM »
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Who cares if Arm outsells PowerPC and any other.

The main thing here, has to be the alliance between IBM, nVidia and Google

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Nvidia, which is an ARM licensee, is not about to become a Power licensee, says Sumit Gupta, general manager of the Tesla Accelerated Computing business unit.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/06/ibm_opens_up_power_chips_armstyle_to_take_on_chipzilla/
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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2013, 08:03:01 AM »
Well that article reads so much more than just your single qoute.

Anyway, those are big players and that corporation might very well see PowerPC expanding its market share.
 

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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #64 on: August 08, 2013, 08:48:18 AM »
I have no doubts we'll see something interesting come out of this on a tech level, but nothing we'll actually be able to put to use ourselves.  Big Iron companies are very platform agnostic - they couldn't care less if it's Intel, ARM or PPC as long as it provides massive amounts of resources within a minimal energy envelope.  Using chips that use 50% less power would save them tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars a year in operations costs.  

"Google said that 100 searches are equal to a 60-watt light bulb burning for 28 minutes. "  (Source:  PC Mag)

All the big companies want more power with lower energy consumption.  x86 provides lots of grunt, but even the most modern x86 chips consume massive amounts of power compared to ARM and such.  ARM so far doesn't have adequate grunt for datacenters, but the chips are insanely efficient.  There's a reason we aren't seeing ARM chips in real computers - thus far, anyways.  There's also a reason why AMD and Intel are scrambling to make their offerings more power efficient.

Companies like Google wouldn't back a losing horse.  It it costs them 400 million to develop a custom bred PPC chip that offers the power they need but is insanely efficient, you can bet your butt they will do it.

http://www.google.com/green/bigpicture/#/

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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #65 on: August 08, 2013, 10:44:49 AM »
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PA6T is a G5 derivative

No, they have different heritage. It might have been designed as a G5 replacement, in the same way a 486 was a 386 replacement. Doesn't mean that one was derived from the other.
 

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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #66 on: August 08, 2013, 12:19:32 PM »
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No, they have different heritage. It might have been designed as a G5 replacement, in the same way a 486 was a 386 replacement. Doesn't mean that one was derived from the other.

Hmmmmm , yes now I kinda see it ...

Something like Pentium and Pentium M(obile) if Pentium M was made by  third party manufacturer ...

I can see Google going for the servers but I don't understand what NVidia gains by implementing Power unless they aim for the consoles ...

Is GPU somehow useful in a high end server ? :P
 

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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #67 on: August 08, 2013, 12:26:37 PM »
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Hmmmmm , yes now I kinda see it ...

Something like Pentium and Pentium M(obile) if Pentium M was made by  third party manufacturer ...

I can see Google going for the servers but I don't understand what NVidia gains by implementing Power unless they aim for the consoles ...

Is GPU somehow useful in a high end server ? :P

The whole point of project Denver was for nVidia to have a CPU+GPU combo to sell to the HPC market.
Before that, nVidia spent years trying to get a x86 license for the same purpose. And now they'll use IBM's POWER and ARM Denver....
 

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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #68 on: August 08, 2013, 12:31:38 PM »
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The whole point of project Denver was for nVidia to have a CPU+GPU combo to sell to the HPC market.
Before that, nVidia spent years trying to get a x86 license for the same purpose. And now they'll use IBM's POWER and ARM Denver....

Ah now I understand all of it ...

Read the article again and I think it was misleading ...

So no chance in hell would be the answer to my questions :)
 

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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #70 on: August 08, 2013, 03:05:59 PM »
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All the big companies want more power with lower energy consumption.  x86 provides lots of grunt, but even the most modern x86 chips consume massive amounts of power compared to ARM and such.  ARM so far doesn't have adequate grunt for datacenters, but the chips are insanely efficient.  There's a reason we aren't seeing ARM chips in real computers - thus far, anyways.  There's also a reason why AMD and Intel are scrambling to make their offerings more power efficient.


I think your not looking at the bigger ARM picture with the A15 Cortex series.  The A15 could make a sweet low power consumption search engine server.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A15_MPCore
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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #71 on: August 08, 2013, 04:39:21 PM »
A15 shows promise but is still too anemic for enterprise use cache and address space wise.  I have no doubts it will transform into something quite impressive in the future, though.

I've used an A15 machine in the past (Chromebook) and found it to be a hideous experience, and Google went back to Intel CPU's for the Chromebook Pixel.  That being said, for the price the ARM Chromebook was well received, but I found the machine to be darned near unusable.
 

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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #72 on: August 08, 2013, 04:59:18 PM »
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A15 shows promise but is still too anemic for enterprise use cache and address space wise.  I have no doubts it will transform into something quite impressive in the future, though.

I've used an A15 machine in the past (Chromebook) and found it to be a hideous experience, and Google went back to Intel CPU's for the Chromebook Pixel.  That being said, for the price the ARM Chromebook was well received, but I found the machine to be darned near unusable.


Ooh the Pixel.  I want myself one of those running a proper Linux though.  The screen is exquisite.

Sorry to go OT but anyone compared the screen of a Pixel with a new MBP? Which is better on the eye?
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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #73 on: August 08, 2013, 05:17:43 PM »
Nvidia presumably want to integrate POWER8 cores with their GPUs and sell compute monsters into the HPC market.  Sensible licensing option for a company that is looking to expand its server market share.

I don't see Nvidia moving away from ARM for their mobile consumer SoCs though. They've invested a lot in this area - and POWER8 is just a teensy bit overkill :p
 

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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #74 on: August 08, 2013, 05:25:05 PM »
Nicholas:

I find the screen on the Pixel nicer than the MBP, to be honest.  I give my left plum for one running a proper OS, lol.  The Pixel is an absolutely gorgeous machine, but I could never get past Chrome OS.