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Offline ferrellslTopic starter

IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« on: August 06, 2013, 07:53:06 PM »
This should have happened about 10 years ago......I'm thinking it's too little, too late, to be of any consequence.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/08/ibm-to-begin-arm-style-licensing-of-power-cpu-architecture/
 

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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2013, 08:06:43 PM »
Be interesting to see where this goes. PPC is still popular in the embedded market, so manufacturers being able to integrate it into their own SoCs could work out pretty well. But I'll say what I've been saying about ARM for the last five years: somebody give it to me in a laptop form factor already!
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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2013, 08:11:23 PM »
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This should have happened about 10 years ago......I'm thinking it's too little, too late, to be of any consequence.


Ditto. Maybe even 20 years ago tbh.
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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2013, 08:27:11 PM »
Release a 5 GHz version and some beefed up cache etc and they may have chance in h-ll .. ;)
 

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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2013, 09:10:38 PM »
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But I'll say what I've been saying about ARM for the last five years: somebody give it to me in a laptop form factor already!


You mean this?


http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-XE303C12-A01US-Chromebook-Wi-Fi-11-6-Inch/dp/B009LL9VDG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375819751&sr=8-1&keywords=chromebook
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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2013, 09:53:01 PM »
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You mean this?


http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-XE303C12-A01US-Chromebook-Wi-Fi-11-6-Inch/dp/B009LL9VDG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375819751&sr=8-1&keywords=chromebook


No, that CPU is an ARM derivative.  He wants a PPC laptop that can perform as well as the AMD/x86/ARM laptops that are out there.
 

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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2013, 10:47:55 PM »
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This should have happened about 10 years ago......I'm thinking it's too little, too late, to be of any consequence.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/08/ibm-to-begin-arm-style-licensing-of-power-cpu-architecture/


Interesting. But how "new" is this, really?

Did PA Semi not get a license?
Do AMCC not license it?
Did Xilinx not license it?
Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft?

I'm not sure how this new thing differs from the old thing.
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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2013, 11:02:07 PM »
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Interesting. But how "new" is this, really?

Did PA Semi not get a license?
Do AMCC not license it?
Did Xilinx not license it?
Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft?

I'm not sure how this new thing differs from the old thing.


This differs from the "old thing" in a few ways.

The first lot got architecture licenses - they had to then design their own implementation from the ground up and source manufacturing, then go through all of the pain & expense of bringing a design to fabrication.

Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft paid IBM to design an implementation for them - or actually to customise one they already had in some cases and then fabricate it for them.

This will be the first time that IBM license the design of an actual implementation that can then be further customised by the licensee and fabricated wherever they then like. That means with whatever GPU they like, bus, cache sizes etc. All built atop of a design that's already known good and can be implemented at less cost.

It's one of the big differences between things like ARM and traditional CPUs and is credited with being one of the reasons that ARM have had such success compared to them. They're much more flexible than the traditional chip houses that seem to want to decide how, when and why you get to use their designs. ARM will let you do pretty much whatever you like.

I doubt IBM will go the whole hog and only start charging you for the chips you actually make like ARM do, but you never know.
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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2013, 11:08:14 PM »
Too little, too late to matter on a big enough scale.
 

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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2013, 12:24:28 AM »
I really loved the CELL

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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2013, 04:30:26 AM »
Maybe the Chinese will pick up on this and develop some interesting new PPC driven systems.
 

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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2013, 05:33:57 AM »
With Sony & Xbox both dropping PPC for next gen consoles IBM is probably looking for more PPC customers.
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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2013, 08:20:53 AM »
It very interesting. I wish IBM success. Might be little biased. I have a family member that works for IBM.
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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2013, 09:05:44 AM »
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Maybe the Chinese will pick up on this and develop some interesting new PPC driven systems.


Why when they can have dirt cheap ARM in volume and not have to reinvent the wheel?  I can't see the embedded network folks forking over that type of risky investment to do R&D and then production when Freescale is producing PPCs that are capable of doing the job.
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Re: IBM tries ARM-style Licensing of PPC Processors
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2013, 09:25:10 AM »
Licensing will not help Amiga. Unless someone is going to do a large batch of G4's and G5's (Will it now be possible?) there won't be any advantage.

We don't need people throwing more spanners in the works, I say go ARM and stick with that course.
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