Did we all just witness Windows start to die?

[commodorejohn]

Your argument on PDP-11 and the OS that drove the origins of RSX-11 is just as valid or invalid as mine for the same non-evidential reasons.

What? You're the one making the claim; the burden of evidence is on you. What basis do you have for claiming that RSX-11 was based on Unix?

[gertsy]

What? You're the one making the claim; the burden of evidence is on you. What basis do you have for claiming that RSX-11 was based on Unix?

No burden on me John, I'm only dancing. You replied to me with no more evidence than my original preposition. My basis is knowledge. Can you mind meld over forums?

[gertsy]

I disagree with you Duce. I take my experience. I have used windows 8. I hate it.  I would not even  upgrade my parent's business computer to windows 8.

1. one game I had to change it to windows xp sp3 for compatibility. The game would lag very bad. It was slow before I fix it.
2. one game I had it was so tiny that you could not see it.
3. Windows 8 in 1 year become slow on the desktop. It was taking long time to load up.  (Sandybridge I3 3.30ghz  12Gb of Ram)
4. I am not going to spend hours figuring out how to trouble shoot compatibility for games.
 5. Every session of w8 the video driver would crash. There was no new driver for it.
6. Defragment was a fail.  
7. Windows 8 is the new Windows Me

Tile everything that junk. It not really windows it just a touch screen  thing for useless traditional desktop interface.  I am not going to spend 400-1000 dollars for touch-screen monitor. Pretty much the operation system is brand new.

Most of the W8 detractors knows that it not worth the money. Nor is it worth the time. You have to relearn how to use windows unless your person like me. I got a free third party application that adds an start menu button to it. All the applications are on the list.  It made my life easier.

What OS were you moving from? Win98?
And "in 1 year" means you had to be running an early beta/pre-release?  Not something to base a final opinion on.
What is this defragment thing you talk of?
Windows ME was a totally different architecture?
How is the video driver problem the pre-release OSs fault? I hope you're as understanding when it comes to Linux and video drivers.

There are many things that piss me off in Windows 8, but nothing you've listed.  
AFAIC the experience of the new start screen, IE10 on it, and touch make it the best touch OS I've ever used.  Though I have to admit I haven't used android tablets to any depth, but if they're anything like the phones I don't think I want to, also from what I remember when helping to set one (a Tablet) up for my cousin. Yucky.

[Duce]

I haven't seen hide nor hair of the Metro/tile interface in W8 since the day I installed the OS, simply because I disabled it all.

As a whole, I find my machine runs quicker on Windows 8 vs W7, but I do prefer Windows 7 still.  Regardless of the fact I've done away all the tile crap, I still have an inherent problem with the whole logic of "2 OS's in one", even if I don't see the tile version in the least.  That being said, 8.1 is leaps and bounds better than 8.0.

Some people simply cannot fathom using Windows 8, just like some people can't even deal with Windows 7 and still use XP solely despite the fact it's at EOL status.  Personal preference and all that.  I don't like the OSX interface at all, but I'm not about to dismiss the entire OS as crap because I simply find it wholly unappealing to my personal tastes.

I've had zero problems with system stability, myself.  The only reboots I do in the least is when Windows update requires them.  This machine literally hasn't been turned off since the day I installed W8.

[commodorejohn]

No burden on me John, I'm only dancing. You replied to me with no more evidence than my original preposition. My basis is knowledge. Can you mind meld over forums?

You're the one that made the claim, mister. Where did you acquire this knowledge? Can you provide a link? If not, can you share about your source?

[bloodline]

Seriously, I like the Ribbon a lot and it's the only thing I miss in Office 2011 for Mac! (it's kind of a ribbon prototype in Mac Office).

The big problem is that ribbons don't make logical groupings. Sure you can put things where you want them, but that is no help to me when I want to do something in different office applications, cut and paste is in different places... What if I want to use someone else's computer, etc... I can't find anything. And since the tried and tested (since 1984) menu bar is gone, I don't have any fall back options.

There is no logic in the ribbon interface.

[gertsy]

You're the one that made the claim, mister. Where did you acquire this knowledge? Can you provide a link? If not, can you share about your source?

A link?  It was in the 70's pre internet.  Wikipedia, you're kidding me right?  The articles there are only as good as their references. My sources are real life and books (remember those) and they are varied. The original catalyst for my interest was sparked by discussions back in the mid-late 80s with Digital VAX system engineers who worked onsite.  While I was also working on Burroughs MCP with Algol and Fortran. The nightshifts were long and may things discussed but my special interests back then were all things language and OS or Master Control Programs as they were called back then, Operating Systems are what IBM called them. There was as much vehemence and loyalty for brands and flavours back then, as there is now. I remember many conversations vividly and in the intervening years have read many books. I don't expect you to accept any of this and the truth is you don't have to.  But I'm not 'gonna suspend my history and reality for Commodorejohn. Nor stop sharing it.

[gertsy]

The big problem is that ribbons don't make logical groupings. Sure you can put things where you want them, but that is no help to me when I want to do something in different office applications, cut and paste is in different places... What if I want to use someone else's computer, etc... I can't find anything. And since the tried and tested (since 1984) menu bar is gone, I don't have any fall back options.

There is no logic in the ribbon interface.

Yeah the ribbons on 2013 are better but still not totally logical or touch friendly.

[commodorejohn]

My sources are real life and books (remember those) and they are varied. The original catalyst for my interest was sparked by discussions back in the mid-late 80s with Digital VAX system engineers who worked onsite.

Okay, so DEC engineers told you that RSX-11 was Unix-derived? Or was it from a book? If so, which book? Maybe my library chain has a copy...

[James2002]

What OS were you moving from? Win98?
And "in 1 year" means you had to be running an early beta/pre-release?  Not something to base a final opinion on.
What is this defragment thing you talk of?
Windows ME was a totally different architecture?
How is the video driver problem the pre-release OSs fault? I hope you're as understanding when it comes to Linux and video drivers.

There are many things that piss me off in Windows 8, but nothing you've listed.  
AFAIC the experience of the new start screen, IE10 on it, and touch make it the best touch OS I've ever used.  Though I have to admit I haven't used android tablets to any depth, but if they're anything like the phones I don't think I want to, also from what I remember when helping to set one (a Tablet) up for my cousin. Yucky.

I did test in beta. I used the final version when it come out to.  Microsoft didn't listen to the beta testers. I don’t really consider Windows 8 a Windows product. It different in nature then previous versions. (No I did not move from windows 98. I  have used a lot of operating systems from microsoft.)
windows 95 and up use defragment to organize the computer files and folder. It makes it faster.

Older video cards does crash on windows 8. It made no difference if I used AMD or Nvidia graphic card. If you use Intel CPU/graphic it works fine.

Windows me in my book is worse operation system created by Microsoft. It was not stable.  It was released before Windows 2000. Windows Vista is the second. Windows 8 is the third.

Get rid of touch. How many people on the market own a touch screen lcd? Very few people do.  Touch screen are over priced.

Even windows 8 tablets are over priced. The prices went down. I believe the price will go down further.

Linux drivers as long as you use the driver from Linux kernel your fine. The other drivers  are not tested.  They state they are. Steal a line from someone else. Yeah they tested, just it didn't work for them either. You have to consider that some Linux distros have more support for wifi then others.

I hate cellphones and tablets. To me they just another item to lose. I already have enough trouble keeping  track of items.

[persia]

Windows is dieing because they still don't get the market, keep it simple, two desktops is not simple.  The charms bar is not intuitive at all.

[Iggy]

Blame me for being a Cro-Magnon, but I absolutely despise tablets.
And the failure rate on laptops is appalling.

I also like to work at a desk (its organized), not in my lap.

[CritAnime]

ZDNet is such tripe.  Every week they publish some new article "death of this or that!!" (I'm looking at you, Ed Bott and SJVN!)  it's just loud-mouthed commentary and opinion pieces to bring in advertising dollars and drum up arguments from the same bunch of commenting jackasses, not real tech news.  I'll normally pass on reading anything there, although if Big Dave is commenting it might be worth a look...

I would agree that ZDNet is utter balls most of the time. After all this is the same site that sent someone to do that awful interview with Barry Altman, that was more like a marketing advert than a interview. However, only once in a blue moon, a writer has a moment of clarity and realises they can actually write. But they are that rare I can't think of one off the top of my head.

As for the death of Windows...

Come on you guys seriously think Microsoft will let it die? Yes Windows 8 is a bit of a joke. But having lived with it for a while I can say it's not the worst OS I have ever used. I think ME still holds that honour, closely followed by COS. There are just too many bugs and inconsistencies in it. Like the patchy support for my USB network dongle. Apart from that, once I got past the jarring learning curve, it was a doddle to use. But saying that I do own the pro version and had access to the desktop and such.

[Fats]

Linux "appeared" from a binary kernel copy of Minux in the late 80's (From nowhere some zealots would have us believe) around the same time that binary reverse engineering was very popular. (Arrrgh me hearties!!!)

Linux is as much derived from Minix (not Minux) as Justin Bieber music is derived from Black Sabbath...

[nicholas]

Linux is as much derived from Minix (not Minux) as Justin Bieber music is derived from Black Sabbath...

:roflmao:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_debate

[Iggy]

Linux is as much derived from Minix (not Minux) as Justin Bieber music is derived from Black Sabbath...

Absolutely true, Staf.
Minix uses a microkernel and is designed as a educational exercise in OS development.
Linux steal its thunder from Unix and has a much messier kernel structure.