Philosophical Question - Amiguing

[_ThEcRoW]

Why you put as examples the quran?, and what it has to do with the Amiga, or computing in general?. At least one thing in common is sure, the zealots that preach that his choice is teh only and one.

[nicholas]

Why you put as examples the quran?, and what it has to do with the Amiga, or computing in general?. At least one thing in common is sure, the zealots that preach that his choice is teh only and one.

Because if you'd bothered to read the entire thread certain people made false claims about Islam and I replied.

To you your way and to me mine.

Next!

[bloodline]

What I find most comical is that many atheists seem intent on converting believers to their way but I personally couldn't give a damn about trying to convert someone to my way.  I don't see the point in even trying.

Many? That's a bit harsh

"Those who reject Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) are deaf and dumb in darkness. Allah sends astray whom He wills and He guides on the Straight Path whom He wills." Al-Qur'an 6:39

I'll always answer questions people ask me about what I believe and I'll always correct incorrect assumptions people have but thats about the length and breadth of it for me.

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If I'm wrong then I'll just die and my life will not have been worse off for believing either.

As long as one's beliefs don't conflict with causing someone else any harm, I have to agree with you

[nicholas]

Many? That's a bit harsh

<=49.9% then?

As long as one's beliefs don't conflict with causing someone else any harm, I have to agree with you

Oooh I'm so tempted to quote another verse. lol

[bloodline]

<=49.9% then?

That's... better? Hahaha

Oooh I'm so tempted to quote another verse. lol

careful, you'll just be throwing a flammable substance on an already ignited object

[Iggy]

Perversely enough, when I study complex physics is when I'm most convinced that there is a unifying force behind all this.

[Thorham]

You'll find out for sure one day.....

When I do find out I'm sure it won't be like human religion says it will be.

"Those who reject Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) are deaf and dumb in darkness. Allah sends astray whom He wills and He guides on the Straight Path whom He wills." Al-Qur'an 6:39

Most religions (if not all) say that. They are right, and everyone else is wrong.

Actually, if he's right, he won't find out.
He'll just die.

I never said there isn't more, just that human religion is wrong.

But I think the answer is all around us screaming for attention and people like him are just deaf to the sound.

The only answer is that there has always been something, and what or who that is, is unknown. From purely mechanical, physical 'stuff' all the way to one or more omnipotent beings, and even both. It's possible, but I seriously doubt the answers are in thousands of years old books.

[nicholas]

I wrote a long reply and then scrapped it because I really couldn't give a toss whether you do or do not believe in anything.  It's irrelevant to me.

[bloodline]

I wrote a long reply and then scrapped it because I really couldn't give a toss whether you do or do not believe in anything.  It's irrelevant to me.

Ultimately everyone has to accept the nature of the reality they perceive around them, and it isn't necessarily a bad thing that the views may be different.

Though sometimes I feel a little sorry for the old Saxon/Nordic/Greek/Roman/etc deities that almost no one believes in them any more! :-(

[Thorham]

Ultimately everyone has to accept the nature of the reality they perceive around them

The problem is just knowing what the nature of reality is.

[nicholas]

Ultimately everyone has to accept the nature of the reality they perceive around them, and it isn't necessarily a bad thing that the views may be different.

Though sometimes I feel a little sorry for the old Saxon/Nordic/Greek/Roman/etc deities that almost no one believes in them any more! :-(

They just renamed them as Jesus.

[Iggy]

I never said there isn't more, just that human religion is wrong.

The only answer is that there has always been something, and what or who that is, is unknown. From purely mechanical, physical 'stuff' all the way to one or more omnipotent beings, and even both. It's possible, but I seriously doubt the answers are in thousands of years old books.

You are now closer to what I feel.
Humans are chronic screw-ups.
So how could we divine to nature of the universe within our limitations?
But that doesn't mean we should use whatever is positive to improve ourselves.

[commodorejohn]

Most religions (if not all) say that. They are right, and everyone else is wrong.

The fact that they can't all be right on account of mutual exclusiveness doesn't at all mean that each one cannot be right...

You are now closer to what I feel.
Humans are chronic screw-ups.
So how could we divine to nature of the universe within our limitations?

This is a pretty good point - but not really applicable to the religions that claim direct divine revelation.

Though sometimes I feel a little sorry for the  old Saxon/Nordic/Greek/Roman/etc deities that almost no one believes in  them any more! :-(

Oh, I guarantee you there's revivalist movements out there.

[Thorham]

The fact that they can't all be right on account of mutual exclusiveness doesn't at all mean that each one cannot be right...

True, I just find it highly unlikely any one of them is right.

[Mrs Beanbag]

There is divine revelation in everything from ancient texts to beehives. How could there not be, if God pervades all things? Nikola Tesla credits a vision in the sky for his invention of the electric motor. I'd wager there are even bits of divine revelation in the Linux kernel.

I can identify with it myself. There are times when I really don't feel like I can take all the credit for my own work, times when I really can't account for where an idea came from, or when I seemed to know something that I had no earthly right to know.

[nicholas]

There is divine revelation in everything from ancient texts to beehives. How could there not be, if God pervades all things? Nikola Tesla credits a vision in the sky for his invention of the electric motor. I'd wager there are even bits of divine revelation in the Linux kernel.

I can identify with it myself. There are times when I really don't feel like I can take all the credit for my own work, times when I really can't account for where an idea came from, or when I seemed to know something that I had no earthly right to know.

Indeed.

Surely there are signs for those that reflect.