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Raspberry Pi
« on: July 01, 2013, 03:12:28 AM »
Hi Guys,
Is there any particular Raspberry Pi to get specifically for Amiga games,
or is it a matter of just getting the one with the fastest possible CPU?

What performance can be expected from them in terms of Amiga game
playability (with a genuine Kickstart file) ?
Is it realistic to emulate a CD32 good enough to play it's games?
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Re: Raspberry Pi
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2013, 06:50:25 AM »
When I owned one it wasn't really possible to run Amiga stuff reliably on one. Even using the Turbo (overclocked) mode it still wasn't great.

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Re: Raspberry Pi
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2013, 06:55:58 AM »
Personally, if its ARM based, I favor an A9 or A15.
The faster the better (and the more cores the better).
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Re: Raspberry Pi
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2013, 10:19:35 AM »
Does that make it viable for an Amiga games machine though,
considering I have little other interest in it?

What if the emulation was limited to a stock Amiga 500?
 

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Re: Raspberry Pi
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2013, 12:49:55 PM »
I've been keeping an eye one FS-UAE, as soon as they get OpenGL ES support it sould run at a pretty decent speed on the Raspberry Pi, certainly good enough for A500 emu.

Note: the Raspberry Pi only comes in two flavours... A 256Meg one and a 512Meg one... Both are overclockable, but the 512Meg memory chips seem more tolerant of the higher clock speeds. I run my 512Meg Pi at 1.1Ghz and my 256 Pi at 900Mhz

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Re: Raspberry Pi
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2013, 01:34:57 PM »
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I run my 512Meg Pi at 1.1Ghz and my 256 Pi at 900Mhz


How many Watts did your 512MB Raspberry Pi consume originally?
How many Watts did your 512MB Raspberry Pi consume @1.1Ghz?
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Re: Raspberry Pi
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2013, 01:53:59 PM »
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I've been keeping an eye one FS-UAE, as soon as they get OpenGL ES support it sould run at a pretty decent speed on the Raspberry Pi, certainly good enough for A500 emu.

Note: the Raspberry Pi only comes in two flavours... A 256Meg one and a 512Meg one... Both are overclockable, but the 512Meg memory chips seem more tolerant of the higher clock speeds. I run my 512Meg Pi at 1.1Ghz and my 256 Pi at 900Mhz

And the A9 boards I've been looking at already run SoftGL.
Not to mention that they run 600 MHz faster (with an already better processor core(s)  - four of them to be exact), before overclocking.
And it has a more powerful four core GPU, four times the memory, and according to Pascal it should be able to run Aeros.

Starting at about $50 more than the Pi.

Also, I'm curious, how well can a Pi handle XBMC?
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Re: Raspberry Pi
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2013, 02:15:26 PM »
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How many Watts did your 512MB Raspberry Pi consume originally?
How many Watts did your 512MB Raspberry Pi consume @1.1Ghz?
I only supply my 1.1Ghz with 800mA @ 5V when running on battery... So I guess 4Watts

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Re: Raspberry Pi
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2013, 02:19:31 PM »
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And the A9 boards I've been looking at already run SoftGL.
Not to mention that they run 600 MHz faster (with an already better processor core(s)  - four of them to be exact), before overclocking.
And it has a more powerful four core GPU, four times the memory, and according to Pascal it should be able to run Aeros.

Starting at about $50 more than the Pi.

Also, I'm curious, how well can a Pi handle XBMC?
The A series ARM chips are very nice, but nothing come close to the Pi in terms of price.

XBMC works a treat on the Pi, the graphics core is actually very very powerful :)

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Re: Raspberry Pi
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2013, 02:46:51 PM »
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The A series ARM chips are very nice, but nothing come close to the Pi in terms of price.

XBMC works a treat on the Pi, the graphics core is actually very very powerful :)

That is cool.
A media center system for under $40.
I've tried using some of the VIA Arm11 based SOC based products, but their weak point was definitely the GPU.

And I can't believe you're using so little power.
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Re: Raspberry Pi
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2013, 03:50:20 PM »
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That is cool.
A media center system for under $40.
I've tried using some of the VIA Arm11 based SOC based products, but their weak point was definitely the GPU.

And I can't believe you're using so little power.
The startup surge current is a bit larger and I'm not running the ethernet, which can be a bit hungry especially at 100Mbps ;)

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2013, 04:00:48 PM »
The important thing is that MESA/Nouveau supports the GPU. Than the 600MHZ CPU would be no problem.
 
 
http://nullr0ute.com/2012/01/the-state-of-open-arm-gpu-support/
 
With HostGL we could also run 3D AROS games.
 

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Re: Raspberry Pi
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2013, 05:44:56 PM »
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Hi Guys,
Is there any particular Raspberry Pi to get specifically for Amiga games,
or is it a matter of just getting the one with the fastest possible CPU?

What performance can be expected from them in terms of Amiga game
playability (with a genuine Kickstart file) ?
Is it realistic to emulate a CD32 good enough to play it's games?
Cheers, Art.

Raspberry pi is horribly underpowered for Amiga emulation. I found that it struggled to emulate 8 bit systems. A lot of the emulators are based on older versions with less accurate sound and such to deal with the slower CPU

I would suggest OUYA its much more capable for emulation. Every emulator I have tried so far from the market are spot-on, and seem full speed with good sound. There are no Amiga emulators in the market but I can try and side load one from my S3. I'm sure there will be an official one sooner than later...

Also, don't believe the negative hype about the controller, its not bad at all. People make it sound like as something that came from dealextreme.
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Re: Raspberry Pi
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2013, 06:08:08 PM »
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Raspberry pi is horribly underpowered for Amiga emulation. I found that it struggled to emulate 8 bit systems. A lot of the emulators are based on older versions with less accurate sound and such to deal with the slower CPU
 
I would suggest OUYA its much more capable for emulation. Every emulator I have tried so far from the market are spot-on, and seem full speed with good sound. There are no Amiga emulators in the market but I can try and side load one from my S3. I'm sure there will be an official one sooner than later...
 
Also, don't believe the negative hype about the controller, its not bad at all. People make it sound like as something that came from dealextreme.

OUYA? huh?
That one slipped below my radar.
Not bad.
Nice processor. Could use more memory and expansion.
Has anyone tried to run an alternate Linux OS on it?
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Re: Raspberry Pi
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2013, 07:56:06 PM »
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OUYA? huh?
That one slipped below my radar.
Not bad.
Nice processor. Could use more memory and expansion.
Has anyone tried to run an alternate Linux OS on it?

I agree, it should have more flash, or better yet, an SD card slot. In addition, more than one (regular sized) USB would have been appreciated.

The I connected a powered usb hub to mine to connect both a usb thumb drive and wireless kb. There is that.

Also. The price for an additional controller is $50 usd, which is too much.  It's nice enough, but without vibration or recharge features, that really seems like too much. You probably don't want to chance getting a used controller as you'll probably get one of the kickstarters which were the ones people were complaining about.

I read something about it being able to use ps3 controllers but I think support for that may be game specific.
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