indivision ECS vs 1084

[mikrucio]

hey guys im having trouble finding a good review on this card.
all the youtube videos only show static images. which a 4 dollar scan doubler can do.
Im interested in the 50/60 hz motion on it, if its fully smooth as with a TV.

anyone?

[XDelusion]

I'll put it this way. I'll NEVER part with mine.

Wouldn't mind living without my 1084 though.

[mikrucio]

so is scrolling smooth? any dropped frames?

[XDelusion]

so is scrolling smooth? any dropped frames?

I have had ZERO issues. Displays as well as my PC does. I don't recall having issues in Work Bench, within games, or with any aplications what so ever.

Of course having a quality monitor never hurts either.

I really don't think you'll regret getting one, but wait for everyone else to chime in first.

[Matt_H]

Depends if you have a 50Hz capable VGA monitor. Then it's just like a "real" Amiga monitor. If you don't have a 50Hz capable monitor, the compatibility mode introduces some tearing in PAL modes.

To be honest, though, I would prefer a 1084. LCDs don't have the same flexibility for tuning of screenmodes as a CRT. But the Indivision helps with future-proofing my system, so that makes it valuable.

[mikrucio]

Yeah thought so.

interlaced to progressive conversion is always hard.

especially from a vintage computer.

[Damion]

Im interested in the 50/60 hz motion on it, if its fully smooth as with a TV.

On a CRT monitor the 50/60Hz modes are synced and perfectly smooth (pinball, etc), but depending on the monitor, 50Hz can sting the eyes after a while. No 100/120Hz modes, at least not on the MKI Indivision 1200 I had. The ribbon cable did negatively affect image quality a little bit.

No problem on the few LCD monitors I have that support 50Hz, with a bit of the usual LCD smearing (better or worse depending on the LCD). Also, you'll likely have to tweak the monitor settings and may or may not get an acceptable image.

For old games and demos, I ended up with a few Sony RGB broadcast monitors, and couldn't be happier.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

I love my Indivision ECS. With a longer cable (from kipper2k) and some dremeling I've got mine exiting out underneath my floppy drive (like how A1200 users do with the knock-out port), and with the 1.10 firmware update I can do a rock-solid 800x600x16 color Workbench on my 37" LCD. 50hz/60hz no issues, and only very, very infrequently do I ever notice any scrolling issues. Frankly I don't even know why this question even comes up anymore, unless you're some kind of hardware purist the Indivision is about a bazillion times better and more modern than some creaky old CRT.  It's like night and day, and for only $100 one of the most reasonably priced Amiga upgrades available.

[Lurch]

1084 CRT = Forget about it, nostalgia reasons only.

Indivision ECS + Latest core + RTG emulation = Drool

It's an amazing upgrade, couldn't get enough of it using it with my A500 plus (well once the two fixes were applied to it). I haven't looked back.

Colours look amazing, and the screen is amazingly clear/crisp. Games look great.

Only reason I don't use it anymore is I have an Indi AGA Mk2 for the 1200 :-)

[mikrucio]

yeah i hate LCD's with a passion, they look like crud.

iv got an old Sony e500 CRT i plan on using.

Might pick up an indivision if the wife lets me lol.

Iv also got 2 1084's but they need attention.
was just trying to toss up between repairs or just using the Sony.

thanks guys

[magnetic]

1084 CRT = Forget about it, nostalgia reasons only.

Indivision ECS + Latest core + RTG emulation = Drool

It's an amazing upgrade, couldn't get enough of it using it with my A500 plus (well once the two fixes were applied to it). I haven't looked back.

Colours look amazing, and the screen is amazingly clear/crisp. Games look great.

Only reason I don't use it anymore is I have an Indi AGA Mk2 for the 1200 :-)

Well i've seen the mk1 output and its rather nice, i have an mk2 and its great. However, having said this NOTHING BEATS AN RGB MONITOR FOR AMIGA. MOST GAMES AND DEMOS WERE MADE FOR THIS OUTPUT. The color richness, the dot pitch, etc..  (i'm lucky because i Have a 22in Vizio lcd tv and a Sony 20" RGB monitor hooked up to my a1200 so best of both worlds (and i can tell you if i'm watching demos or gaming i look at the rgb monitor but for productivity def the Vizio with HighGfx hi res mode from HDMI)

[Damion]

yeah i hate LCD's with a passion, they look like crud.

Yeah, generally no good for old games (IMHO). I have an older 15" Eizo LCD that works pretty well with an Indi/PIV scandoubler, no frameskip, but you still get the smearing with fast 50Hz scrolling.

iv got an old Sony e500 CRT i plan on using.

Should work great. The scandoubled display is kind of nice, for some games I prefer it over the obvious scanlines of a 1084/15kHz monitor. The only problem is the shorter phosphor persistence on the hi-res Trinitrons - at 50Hz they produce quite a bit more flicker than a 1084 would. I recall Jens mentioning the possibility of 100/120Hz synced screenmodes for the Indi ECS, but don't know if they made it into the design. Maybe someone else can confirm.

[mikrucio]

DECISIONS DECISIONS!

Might just get the 1084 recapped then...
Im hardcore.

[Lurch]

Well i've seen the mk1 output and its rather nice, i have an mk2 and its great. However, having said this NOTHING BEATS AN RGB MONITOR FOR AMIGA. MOST GAMES AND DEMOS WERE MADE FOR THIS OUTPUT. The color richness, the dot pitch, etc..  (i'm lucky because i Have a 22in Vizio lcd tv and a Sony 20" RGB monitor hooked up to my a1200 so best of both worlds (and i can tell you if i'm watching demos or gaming i look at the rgb monitor but for productivity def the Vizio with HighGfx hi res mode from HDMI)

I actually find the output from the indi's brighter, and the colours more vivid over my 1084.

The clarity playing games on my 24" Dell LCD through the Mk2 is amazing. With the latest core it's on par with the Indivision ECS now.

I did have a high end German (some strange name I can't remember now) CRT 22" TV hooked up with scart and thought that was fantastic over the 1084 but the Indivision ECS I had took it a step better.

Each to their own, the 1084 I'm selling a long with the spring rgb monitor I have here through a local site :-)

[mikrucio]

hey guys

I snapped up the latest Indivision from Amigakit

Installed it the other night!

FANTASTIC product.

My Sony CRT scans down to 48khz so got the indi running at 1.00 factor.
works perfect. smooth scrolling and crystal clear.

My only gripe is the RF shield no longer fits back on the A500 without modification (slight)
and there is a slight amount of ghosting in the image (poor quality cable from the indivision coming out of the case of the A500)

Other than that its perfect. Thanks Jens.