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Offline AmigaBrunoTopic starter

Amiga listings on eBay Germany
« on: May 15, 2013, 06:00:49 PM »
Recently, I've done various searches on eBay Germany which often bring up some interesting results, but usually these listings say "Versand nach: Deutschland", meaning that the item will only be sent to an address or a buyer in Germany, not anywhere else. Can anyone think of a way to get round this restriction? I'm fairly sure this is against EU law, so I don't know how eBay has been getting away with this.

Here's a current listing of a recent attic find. You can actually collect this one in person, but it's "Versand nach: Deutschland" only!

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Commodore-Amiga-2000-inkl-Tastatur-Joystick-Quickshot-II-Turbo-und-Maus-/330922437407?pt=Klassische_Computer&hash=item4d0c83ab1f
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Offline Akiko

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Re: Amiga listings on eBay Germany
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2013, 06:30:21 PM »
Yet another preposterous EU law if it exists.
 

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Re: Amiga listings on eBay Germany
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2013, 06:46:56 PM »
That would be quite an absurd and inconvenient law to apply to eBay sellers. What if they don't want the headache of dealing with shipping outside?

Heck, I guess they could ban Collect Only as well: Must ship to EU or don't list.

That would suck if you're selling a car or something that's usually locally sold.
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Re: Amiga listings on eBay Germany
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2013, 07:06:25 PM »
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Yet another preposterous EU law if it exists.

I think the relevant EU law is connected with single market legislation. It's not a single market if it can be subdivided by eBay or anyone else into Germany, Britain, etc. Apart from this, whatever can be sold anywhere in the EU must be allowed to be sold everywhere in the EU.

I was thinking of trying to contact someone in Germany who could have items sent to their address, then forward them to me. I'm also thinking of offering this service to people elsewhere for eBay items which are listed as UK only.
 

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Re: Amiga listings on eBay Germany
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2013, 07:12:39 PM »
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That would be quite an absurd and inconvenient law to apply to eBay sellers. What if they don't want the headache of dealing with shipping outside?

Heck, I guess they could ban Collect Only as well: Must ship to EU or don't list.

That would suck if you're selling a car or something that's usually locally sold.

The car would be for collection, so no problem there.
 

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Re: Amiga listings on eBay Germany
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2013, 07:21:04 PM »
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usually these listings say "Versand nach: Deutschland", meaning that the item will only be sent to an address or a buyer in Germany, not anywhere else. Can anyone think of a way to get round this restriction?


What usually (but not always) works for me is sending the seller a mail saying something like:

"Hi, I noticed that you are only shipping to Germany. Unfortunately I live in Belgium. As you can see in my feedback, I'm an eBayer in good standing with 100% positive feedback. I'm really interested in this item. If you'd be willing to make an exception and ship to my country anyway, please tell me how much shipping would cost. Kind regards, Username"

Most of the time they agree to sell to me. Sometimes they don't.
 

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Re: Amiga listings on eBay Germany
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2013, 07:21:41 PM »
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That would suck if you're selling a car or something that's usually locally sold.


I'm in the United States, I once sold a car (a 1972 Buick Electra) on ebay.  Winning bidder wound up being in Germany.  I was skeptical at first but he paid up-front, then sent a truck, which picked up the car and put it on a boat, transported it over, he wound up giving it a full frame-off restoration and she's now cruising the autobahn.  He sent me back photos.  Funny how that works out, he must've been pretty rich, however!
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Re: Amiga listings on eBay Germany
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2013, 07:46:19 PM »
There's no law prohibiting sale abroad, neither German nor EU. The seller just doesn't want to.

If anyone's really interested I'd be volunteering for shipping that machine to the US or elsewhere. But make sure you prepare yourself for the cost - 10-20 kg to the US would come up to 68€.
 

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Re: Amiga listings on eBay Germany
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2013, 07:46:57 PM »
(double post, DB is playing up)
 

Offline AmigaBrunoTopic starter

Re: Amiga listings on eBay Germany
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2013, 08:16:43 PM »
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There's no law prohibiting sale abroad, neither German nor EU. The seller just doesn't want to.

If anyone's really interested I'd be volunteering for shipping that machine to the US or elsewhere. But make sure you prepare yourself for the cost - 10-20 kg to the US would come up to 68€.

That sounds like a great idea! How much would you charge to send it to me in the UK, though? Perhaps I could pay you in Aspirin or Paracetamol, which I may be prevented from selling to Germany via eBay due to trade protectionism by or on behalf of the company Bayer. Of course, one problem is that how could anyone be sure that you'd send them the Amiga items? You'd probably have to buy it yourself for this scheme to work, so how could you be sure you'd get back the money you paid, as well as the postage?

BTW, during the time after Commodore went bankrupt and before Escom took over, I was exchanging video cassettes, magazines and other items with someone in Berlin, but I sent him 15 video cassettes and only ever got 5 video cassettes in return. It ended when I sent him some money for a cracked Kickstart ROM, he told me the price had gone up, so I sent him even more money, then I never received the Kickstart ROM. Of course, this doesn't mean you'd do the same, but that's what can happen.
 

Offline AmigaBrunoTopic starter

Re: Amiga listings on eBay Germany
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2013, 08:20:46 PM »
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What usually (but not always) works for me is sending the seller a mail saying something like:

"Hi, I noticed that you are only shipping to Germany. Unfortunately I live in Belgium. As you can see in my feedback, I'm an eBayer in good standing with 100% positive feedback. I'm really interested in this item. If you'd be willing to make an exception and ship to my country anyway, please tell me how much shipping would cost. Kind regards, Username"

Most of the time they agree to sell to me. Sometimes they don't.

That sounds like a good idea! I just need to translate it into German for the maximum effect. So far, I've only sent messages saying "Wie wär's mit Versand nach Großbritannien?" (How about postage to Britain?), but I don't think this has ever worked.
 

Offline AmigaBrunoTopic starter

Re: Amiga listings on eBay Germany
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2013, 08:41:07 PM »
"Hi, I noticed that you are only shipping to Germany. Unfortunately I  live in Belgium. As you can see in my feedback, I'm an eBayer in good  standing with 100% positive feedback. I'm really interested in this  item. If you'd be willing to make an exception and ship to my country  anyway, please tell me how much shipping would cost. Kind regards,  Username"

I think this is an accurate translation, except for Belgium and not having 100% positive feedback.  

"Ich habe bemerkt dass Versand nur nach Deutschland wird. Leider wohne ich in Großbritannien. Wie Sie sehen können bin ich ein eBay Mitglied mit einen guten Ruf und fast 100% positive Bewertungen.  Ich interesse mich sehr in diesen Artikel. Vielleicht wären Sie bereit sein eine Ausnahme zu machen und diesen Artikel zu mir in Großbritannien senden. Bitte erzähle mir wieviel das kosten würde. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Benutzername"
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Re: Amiga listings on eBay Germany
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2013, 08:58:30 PM »
Pretty good really. Slight improvement: "Mir ist aufgefallen, dass Sie nur nach Deutschland versenden. [...] Ich interessiere mich sehr für diesen Artikel. Vielleicht wären Sie bereit, eine Ausnahme zu machen und mir den Artikel nach ... zu senden? Ich habe bei DHL nachgesehen und das Porto müsste ca. xx € betragen. Viele Grüße und vielen Dank!"

I don't think I'd buy in lieu of someone else but I think anyone will be able to bid and just use me as shipping address. (I've been around a bit so you can probably trust me with that. ;)) DHL shipping rates can be looked up at http://www.dhl.de. UK 10-20 kg should be 22€. Hermes might be cheaper within Europe but can take quite a while. Don't forget you'd need to pay inital shipping as well, so persuading the seller to ship directly would be much better!
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Re: Amiga listings on eBay Germany
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2013, 09:05:45 PM »
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Pretty good really. Slight improvement: "Mir ist aufgefallen, dass Sie nur nach Deutschland versenden. [...] Ich interessiere mich sehr für diesen Artikel. Vielleicht wären Sie bereit, eine Ausnahme zu machen und mir den Artikel nach ... zu senden? Ich habe bei DHL nachgesehen und das Porto müsste ca. xx € betragen. Viele Grüße und vielen Dank!"

I don't think I'd buy in lieu of someone else but I think anyone will be able to bid and just use me as shipping address. (I've been around a bit should you can probably trust me with that ;)) DHL shipping rates can be looked up at http://www.dhl.de. UK 10-20 kg should be 22€. Hermes might be cheaper within Europe but can take quite a while.

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Re: Amiga listings on eBay Germany
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2013, 09:49:44 PM »
There are 3rd party services that you can have the seller ship to in their own country, then the third party ships it to you wherever you are, just learned of this myself.

http://www.bpm-lux.com/en/home.html
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