Is AROS and AmigaOS 4.1 the samething?

[AmigaClassicRule]

Hey guys,

I am wondering if I get an AROS machine would I be getting the same experience as I would be getting with AmigaOS 4.1? Can you say that AROS is AmigaOS 4.1 for x86? Would I get the same Amiga experience as well? The problem I have is I have the latest most modern motherboard and x86 I could imagine as such it is not compatible with AROS in any shape or regard. The other problem I have...is installing AROS natively to the HD. I have always had bad experience with that...that and the fact the AROS cannot support more than 128 GB of HD space so if I get a 1 TB HD I am in big trouble. What do you guys suggest here?

Thanks in advance.

[trekiej]

I believe they are different (worlds apart) but do not know how explain it.
Both have their ups and downs.

[Duce]

Two entirely different things.  Not even comparable, IMO - outside of the "Amiga-like" experience they share.

I've never had luck with AROS.  Never, ever.  I have no old machines, only modern, bleeding edge technology ones and have never had a stable AROS experience with them.  Last time I installed AROS it thrashed a hard disk so badly I couldn't even fix it with Spinrite.    Those that do/can run AROS enjoy it, though.

AmigaOS requires specific hardware (A1, SAM boards, X1000, or PPC powered legacy machines) that is far more costly than what AROS requires, though.  I have a SAM 440ep and the machine is damned near bulletproof and is a lot of fun to use.

[AmigaClassicRule]

Two entirely different things.  Not even comparable, IMO - outside of the "Amiga-like" experience they share.

I've never had luck with AROS.  Never, ever.  I have no old machines, only modern, bleeding edge technology ones and have never had a stable AROS experience with them.  Last time I installed AROS it thrashed a hard disk so badly I couldn't even fix it with Spinrite.    Those that do/can run AROS enjoy it, though.

AmigaOS requires specific hardware (A1, SAM boards, X1000, or PPC powered legacy machines) that is far more costly than what AROS requires, though.  I have a SAM 440ep and the machine is damned near bulletproof and is a lot of fun to use.

But Duce would you consider the SAM 440ep, A1, X1000, etc the same experience as owning the Amiga classic? Would you consider it an Amiga, Amiga system or would you considered it a PPC machine that have OS 4.1 like AROS is installed in x86?

[spirantho]

I like AROS. It's very impressive, and open source, and really nice, and the price is unbeatable....
... but it doesn't feel like the Amiga to me, and its API is a lot closer to OS3 than OS4, but that will only affect you if you code. Plus with an AmigaOS 4 machine you know it's not going to have compatibility problems.
Also I don't think AROS emulates a 68k for OS3 apps yet, does it? JanusUAE is great, but not suitable for simple commandline tools and stuff.
AmigaOS 4 feels like home. 'nuff said.

[dammy]

I like AROS. It's very impressive, and open source, and really nice, and the price is unbeatable....
... but it doesn't feel like the Amiga to me, and its API is a lot closer to OS3 than OS4, but that will only affect you if you code. Plus with an AmigaOS 4 machine you know it's not going to have compatibility problems.

Interesting, feels like Amiga to me.

Also I don't think AROS emulates a 68k for OS3 apps yet, does it? JanusUAE is great, but not suitable for simple commandline tools and stuff.
AmigaOS 4 feels like home. 'nuff said.

Seamless UAE (with JIT) has been integrated since what, 2012 or was it 2011?  OS4 has it's share of issues (extremely expensive hardware for one), but if he is interested in AROS, he should go download (for free no less) a live ISO from http://icarosdesktop.org/ and give it a spin and see for himself if he likes it or not.  Yes, there is "limited" number of video (mostly nVidia) accelerated drivers and NIC drivers, but the hardware is common and dirt cheap. He can even run it in hosted if he wants.  There is no reason for him not to go download the Icaros ISO and give it a try and see for himself if it feels like an Amiga.

Think there is still AROS hardware being sold if he has to have a brand new machine that has AROS drivers for all of it's onboard hardware.

[wawrzon]

I like AROS. It's very impressive, and open source, and really nice, and the price is unbeatable....
... but it doesn't feel like the Amiga to me,

maybe until you run it on an actual amiga, where it feels more amiga than running os4 on an accelerator board i can assure you.

and its API is a lot closer to OS3 than OS4, but that will only affect you if you code.

which is good since it is a legacy standard everybody agrees upon in amiga world and this ensures compatibility and portability of software that runs upon, providing a good base for community cooperation.

Plus with an AmigaOS 4 machine you know it's not going to have compatibility problems.

what compatibility problems? hardware support? as lt looks like most if not all of os4 machines have incomplete hardware support. in case of x1k half of the hardware is not yet supported. in other cases devices lack dma, or the like, and beyond that you have no choice, you must stick with this unsupported hardware. in case of aros you may be lucky or not, but there are so many choices and as a fallback you can always run it hosted. this situation may even improve soon.

Also I don't think AROS emulates a 68k for OS3 apps yet, does it? JanusUAE is great, but not suitable for simple commandline tools and stuff.
AmigaOS 4 feels like home. 'nuff said.

much better. on amiga aros actually runs native amiga 1.x-3.x apps without any emulation. try *this* on os4;)

[Iggy]

All three NG OS' have a lot of specific difference.
To me all three feel very Amiga-like.
And the poster that said AROS felt the most like 3.1 was dead on (but is that necessarily a good thing).
I must admit, thought I can see the potential of AROS, I'd still prefer the PPC variants.
Since Hyperion has the right to include all of 3.1 in 4.1 (and beyond) compatibility may be better with their product.
But my own choice (which i won't belabor) is the most polished and the better performing of the two. Plus Ambient just feels better to me than any other interface.
I don't miss Workbench, and Scalos was interesting but not quite what I wanted, so I'm glad I have ambient.

[Terminills]

I've never had luck with AROS.  Never, ever.  I have no old machines, only modern, bleeding edge technology ones and have never had a stable AROS experience with them.  

User maybe?   I've used AROS on a 12 Core Opteron with 32 Gigs of ram that was released roughly 3 months before I tried AROS on it.

[nicholas]

I've never been able to understand why people complain about lack of hardware support with AROS.  It supports more hardware than both MorphOS and OS4, especially OS4.

[OlafS3]

I am running lots of 68k applications and games on AROS, I mix native AROS and 68k libraries, have added original AREXX and installer and so on and this is both running on emulation and native on classic hardware without PPC addon. Try that with AmigaOS or MorphOS :-). I use AROS 68k of course. So for every purpose you can choose the right version. Of course it is not possible to mix f.e. X86 and 68k but the price of it to stick with old hardware is way too much in my view.

[spirantho]

I've never been able to understand why people complain about lack of hardware support with AROS.  It supports more hardware than both MorphOS and OS4, especially OS4.

Basically the problem is that you have to buy second hand hardware, and then it'll probably work. People tend to assume that because it runs on a PC, that it'll run on a recent PC - but that's usually not the case.

@dammy

Running a whole sandbox of UAE to just run a simple commandline app isn't what people want. They want it to run in the shell. And what about if you want to run a program like "Diskinfo" to get the disk parameters? That wouldn't work well from an emulated environment.
I don't think even the JanusUAE authors would say that running UAE for a command-line app is ideal.

When I say that AmigaOS 4 feels more like an Amiga, you have to remember that "feels like" is completely subjective. For many others, AROS feels more like an Amiga, for others MOS feels like an Amiga.

@wawrzon

AROS 68k is pretty awesome work.
Only having the API from an old version of AmigaOS from 1994 is not a good thing though - and in fact AROS has its own API. The developer should be able to use the lowest common denominator, but each of the three Amigalikes have their own APIs already. I too wish they were standardised but that's not going to happen.

I think this is going to turn into a red vs. er... what colour is AROS again? Anyway, I can get see it getting all argumenty so I'll stop now.
Suffice to say:
AmigaOS 4 feels more like an Amiga to me, and as a developer has advantages for me, but your mileage may vary!

[OlafS3]

We managed to remove a difference in the implementation of CybergraphX just a few days ago and that is now official part. If more would test and report what is missing/should change it would help a lot.

[OlafS3]

just some news...

AROS 68k now officially support ATA on A1200/4000, I am working on integration of Magellan now and thanks to Terminills will do testing printing with Gutenprint this weekend. So a lot of fun :-).

[wawrzon]

Basically the problem is that you have to buy second hand hardware, and then it'll probably work. People tend to assume that because it runs on a PC, that it'll run on a recent PC - but that's usually not the case.

what? im not interested enough in x86 to actually run aros on it, but last time i tried a livecd on my i7 it was working. i really cant imagine, what do you base your claims upon..

Only having the API from an old version of AmigaOS from 1994 is not a good thing though - and in fact AROS has its own API.

of course it extends upon 3.1 api, but you can still stick with it if you want. after all, it wasnt me who stated, aros is just 3.1 compliant.