When emulators outperform the real deal.

[AmigaClassicRule]

I use WinUAE to support my real Amiga's - Prep drives, test out software etc etc. I agree, emulation just isn't the same thing... but it has its uses, and for some it's all they'll have, and one day a few decades down the line it'll be all that is left of the Amiga as nearly all units of hardware will eventually be destroyed. This is where replicators from Star Trek will come in handy.

Why would Amiga hardware be destroyed? I don't understand. Who goes smashing these hardware?

[direktorn]

600ms? That's 0.6 seconds...I think all of us here (being Amiga fans) have quicker responses than that. :laugh1:

yes over half a sec, If we met in person I'd like to challenge you for a duel

[direktorn]

Yes, music prefers vinyl as well.
 
Like you say, it's about personal choice and freedom...for which we should all be grateful.

True, we are not the same. I love my audio gears and I have worked in a HiFi store many, many years ago and had the pleasure to got introduced to Rotel, Alpine, JBL, Klipsch, Kef and even my friends at B&O. I never got stuck on Analog as I'm 36 and my vinyl collection is more or less 10 albums until I switched. Now I'm more into home chinema spent over €10.000 on these things.

[AmiDude]

I dunno we allowed XXX in amiga.org forum! What about the children?

To put your mind at ease: There are no children here. Only adult lurkers. :p

[bloodline]

Why would Amiga hardware be destroyed? I don't understand. Who goes smashing these hardware?

Every time you turn your amiga on, you use up what is remaining of its functional existence

These machines have a finite life.

[AmigaClassicRule]

Every time you turn your amiga on, you use up what is remaining of its functional existence

These machines have a finite life.

Maybe...but the finite "life" of these machines are in hundreds of years...by that time I would care less what happens to it as I will be dead. Also I am sure...somewhere along the line...someone out there will make a brand new spanking 68k hardware that out beats the classic anyways. To me...since it is here...I might as well use my Amiga 68k hardware till smoke comes from it.......don't go jumping at me...it is a figure of speaking here.  What use is my classic Amiga if I am going to be so scared to use it..because it dies out every time it is used? No...I will use it...I want to play hours and hours and hours on my A1200 with Quake 2....I want to enjoy the new games NovaCoder is porting and I would like to try netsurf...I want to enjoy SDL AGA........I am not fretting on this in any shape or form. What I hate are the Amiga hoarders! Does a person really need 30 Amiga computers? What are you running here...an IT lab? No...these people should "share" by selling their excessive Amiga to other people who wish to own a real Amiga hardware for full blast experience. That is where I am pissed off..not the fact that for each use the Amiga hardware dies out.

[magnetic]

Ok,

WinAUE even allows me to run UAE within the Amiga and watch demos at full speed but with no sound. That I'd call impressive.
 

LMAO yeah "impressive" watching demos with no sound lulz.  You CANNOT replicate watching an Amiga scene demo on Real Hardware with an RGB monitor with the Real Amigas analogue sound output. Period. End of story. Sure you can mimick the look on a lcd or crt with scanlines and crap but its not the same, the colors arent as rich for one. And there is no pc hardware out there that has the low end phat analogue amiga sound.

[Ral-Clan]

Thanks ral-clan. I'll try these settings and see if it solves my problems.

Also be sure you're using a recent version of WinUAE.

[mingle]

LMAO yeah "impressive" watching demos with no sound lulz.  You CANNOT replicate watching an Amiga scene demo on Real Hardware with an RGB monitor with the Real Amigas analogue sound output. Period. End of story. Sure you can mimick the look on a lcd or crt with scanlines and crap but its not the same, the colors arent as rich for one. And there is no pc hardware out there that has the low end phat analogue amiga sound.

I think he's actually running Amiga demos on Amiga UAE from within the WinUAE emulation - which is pretty impressive...

WinUAE itself will run Amiga demos just fine - with sound...

[warpdesign]

Posted twice, sorry: please remove.

[warpdesign]

Why would Amiga hardware be destroyed? I don't understand. Who goes smashing these hardware?

Just like old cars, they get old... and unless you repair them, replace parts,... they are destroyed.

Anyway, UAE clearly outperforms real hardware, and have been since a long time. There's no need to argue. Of course, display is a little different than on the real thing, timing may have tiny differences. But seeing what you gain in exchange (speed, flexibility: in a single click you may be running any OS version/rom you want, any hardware: 68000 up to 68060) I have no problem saying that UAE replaced the Amiga for me. I'd be happy to play with the real thing for some time though, but having to have one expensive one myself, no way...

[Megamig]

With 3D Printing technology it will only be a matter of time before we could just print out a new classic Amiga.

[paul1981]

Maybe...but the finite "life" of these machines are in hundreds of years...by that time I would care less what happens to it as I will be dead.

Nor will anyone else care....they'll all get slung in the bin! Your 060 and Picasso and PPC cards...the lot!
Hundreds of years is a very optimistic view. IC's fail eventually under normal use. These "hoarders" are probably doing Amiga preservation a very large favour.

Regarding hoarding, there's more than enough unwanted Amiga's out there anyway, so I can't say I have anything against them. Also, how do you define a hoarder? Is a person who owns every Amiga model (13 I think?) a hoarder? I'd call those people collectors not hoarders. There's more than enough Amiga's out there for everyone, so I don't see why you should have such strong negative feelings against them.

[gertsy]

Every time you turn your amiga on, you use up what is remaining of its functional existence

These machines have a finite life.

Naa, Classic Amigas are like Chuck Norris, both have successfully counted to infinity....

..Twice.

[AmigaClassicRule]

Nor will anyone else care....they'll all get slung in the bin! Your 060 and Picasso and PPC cards...the lot!
Hundreds of years is a very optimistic view. IC's fail eventually under normal use. These "hoarders" are probably doing Amiga preservation a very large favour.

Regarding hoarding, there's more than enough unwanted Amiga's out there anyway, so I can't say I have anything against them. Also, how do you define a hoarder? Is a person who owns every Amiga model (13 I think?) a hoarder? I'd call those people collectors not hoarders. There's more than enough Amiga's out there for everyone, so I don't see why you should have such strong negative feelings against them.

Definition of collectors are owning a single different module of the Amiga for the purpose of history or collectible reason. Definition of a hoarder are owning 30 of the same Amiga module and never using them..just for the purpose of...hoarding or keeping.

For example when ever I have fever of owning Commodore 64 again...I go to eBay and think hard if I want the C64s, C64, C128 or C128D module. When I am satisfied with my pick...I buy ONE SINGLE module of the Commodore 64 and that is that. It is what I did with the Apple IIgs for example. I bought only ONE Apple IIgs...not went and bought 50 Apple IIgs nor went and bought 10 Apple IIgs, 20 Apple IIc, 15 Apple II e, first I have no space...second one Apple II is more than enough...I wouldn't be able to use the other ones..and they do the same thing anyways...so why should I keep them?  Someone out there would like to own one...

[AmigaClassicRule]

Nor will anyone else care....they'll all get slung in the bin! Your 060 and Picasso and PPC cards...the lot!
............

I still don't understand why no one out there (by the time that happens) would be making a new modern 68k Amiga? Natami proofs it is possible. I am sure there will be a new Amiga 68k out there with better custom chip than AGA and that suppor these expansion cards.