When emulators outperform the real deal.

[direktorn]

Ok,
This might be an unusual topic. But I have fell in love with my miggy again, this time it's not the real deal.
 
I have three A4000 so I'm a genuine Amiga lover, done a lot of work for the community in the past, so don't get me wrong.
 
But running WinUAE just works so perfect. My 2560x1200 screen it beutiful. Running mp3, torrents, browsers, msn, facebook all works like a charm.
 
Most of the times when you think about emulation you think about a crippled experience where you never actually reach the full experience - think about when you tried to run NES 8-bit emulators on your A1200 and you hope'd that most games would work and they didn't..
 
WinAUE even allows me to run UAE within the Amiga and watch demos at full speed but with no sound. That I'd call impressive.
 
Last weekend I sat up to about 4AM and forgot time and place and played with all the "new" versions of apps that had came out after I left the Amiga in the dark about 8-10 years ago. Impressive.

[kickstart]

congratulations

[zipper]

Tried Shapeshifter in WinUAE on my laptop - it ran benchmarks 15 - 50x faster than Mac Quadra.

[haywirepc]

I have a dedicated computer just as an emulation machine. Windows shell has been replaced with amigaOS3.X Seeing things like amigakit and Amigasys I think really gives one a look at what AmigaOS could have probably evolved into.

Too bad instead we got hyperion now keeping OS4 on 10+ year old hardware (for the most part) that costs more than modern x86 hardware.

Genius business move.

I really think if Silly Billy had instead opted to direct hyperion to go for x86 Amiga scene would be so much better off now... Too little too late now.

Its nice though to use an emulated machine and amiga os3.x, especially if you render things or actually need real horsepower. I would have killed to have such rendering power on my old A500.

[magnetic]

Well if you want to go back in the time machine forget mcbill and that tosser fleecy. Jim Collas. If he was allowed to do what he wanted to do with the amiga (go to a linux kernel) things would have turned out much better.

Or if Morphos had been "OS4" as it was Supposed to be things would certainly be a lot better.

[Ral-Clan]

Yeah, for productivity Amiga applications (i.e. rendering, graphics, desktop publishing, audio work) WinUAE is great.

I've even enjoyed lots of games on it without a problem.

[haywirepc]

Yeah I never understood the idiots in charge, especially in regards to morphos. Gee, we need a new os that will run on powerpc... *******S here it is.
Na, were going to pay someone else to remake the wheel instead, and get tied up in legal battles for years.

Wankers.

[B00tDisk]

At this point the whole thing is entirely ****ed, so I can't fathom why McBill is still behind the curtain demanding millions (or at least Thousands) for what is essentially a useless IP.  I mean, he got what, 1 license from that guy in South Florida, and then he's got the Cloanto people but that can't be doing more than generating pizza money.

Sad to think that had C= pushed halfway hard, there would *be* no Apple - I think it was Gassee who said that for about 5 minutes, Apple was terrified when the Amiga came out.  Then they realized it was Commodore's marketing behind it and were just as suddenly relieved.

[AmiDude]

But running WinUAE just works so perfect. My 2560x1200 screen it beutiful. Running mp3, torrents, browsers, msn, facebook all works like a charm.

Yeah, but for playing classic Amiga games it sucks! For instance, the sound is not synchronous with the game.

[stefcep2]

Yeah I never understood the idiots in charge, especially in regards to morphos. Gee, we need a new os that will run on powerpc... *******S here it is.
Na, were going to pay someone else to remake the wheel instead, and get tied up in legal battles for years.

Wankers.

Waht's there not to understand?

Bill wanted the Apple model: control the OS AND the hardware.

As a business why wouldn't you want the whole enchilada?

[OlafS3]

if you do it wrong you get nothing...

[psxphill]

Yeah, but for playing classic Amiga games it sucks! For instance, the sound is not synchronous with the game.

Most people don't care, because they haven't used a real Amiga in so long that they don't notice. Eventually you get used to the way the emulator works and the real thing feels wrong.
 
So it's not necessarily a bad thing that it's not exactly in sync. You'll find that using an lcd monitor gives a different feel as well, because there is often some lag with those. One of the manufacturers (can't remember if it's ATI or Nvidia) has a bug in their drivers that if you just enable vsync then you get a three frame lag. It's like an enforced triple buffering.
 
I have real hardware and don't tend to use winuae, but then I don't often use the real hardware these days as it's much more inconvenient. I would use my c128 more, but the power supply needs repairing and I haven't gotten round to that.

[Lurch]

Not sure what lag people are having, have setup a WinUAE box and it is bang on. The exact same experience I get when using my A1200 with an Indivision.

Except on the WinUAE box hardware limits are no longer an issue, especially on a modern PC.

I have it setup on a core 2 duo box which handles it really well. Super quick.

[direktorn]

Yeah, but for playing classic Amiga games it sucks! For instance, the sound is not synchronous with the game.

I do not play games but I have watched all my top demos where timing is even more critical than on games and they have so far not failed. Can you point me to a game that does not work?

[bloodline]

Yeah, but for playing classic Amiga games it sucks! For instance, the sound is not synchronous with the game.

Depends on your hardware. I have low latency audio hardware, which has has lag down at between 5ms and 12ms for OctaMED in WinUAE. If you claim to be able to hear that... You are deluding yourself.