AmiQuake 2 AGA and Apollo 1260 32 MB of RAM

[AmigaClassicRule]

I am curios this is boggling my mind for a while. I only have 32 MB of RAM in my Apollo 1260 is that enough to run AmiQuake 2 AGA? I mean three things where I have no intention to do:

• I will fight with all my force NOT to tower my A1200 at all cost! I mean at all cost!!!
• Unable to add additional 32 MB of RAM slot to my Apollo 1260 because I will be forced to tower my A1200 that means $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and on top of it look at #1
• Replace my accelerator card with weaker Blizzard card.

[paul1981]

I am curios this is boggling my mind for a while. I only have 32 MB of RAM in my Apollo 1260 is that enough to run AmiQuake 2 AGA? I mean three things where I have no intention to do:

• I will fight with all my force NOT to tower my A1200 at all cost! I mean at all cost!!!
• Unable to add additional 32 MB of RAM slot to my Apollo 1260 because I will be forced to tower my A1200 that means $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and on top of it look at #1
• Replace my accelerator card with weaker Blizzard card.

I've always wanted to try soldering wires (or ribbon cable) to the 2nd simm socket connections so that I can remotely fit the 2nd simm socket...just short wires, enough to move the socket so that I wouldn't need to "towerize".
I remember a few years ago that someone fitted a flat (maybe slightly angled) 2nd simm socket to the Apollo which didn't interfere with the keyboard... so they had 64MB, and still in the desktop case. My CPU is socketed though, so that wouldn't be an option for me as my CPU sits too high which would probably interfere with the low simm. :cry:

[Lurch]

I looked at the ribbon idea, ribbon cable soldered to the apollo and then to a SIMM socket. Problem would be the length you could go with it.

It would need to run to the left and then back, wouldn't want it covering the fan of the apollo.

Was going to get it done but was told a 100 euro.... my soldering abilities I wouldn't attempt it myself, wouldnt want to damage the apollo.

The other option I was playing with his virtual memory, which I've managed to get working quite well. But breaks my WHDLoad with it running, haven't had a chance to test it with much, but avail command and sysinfo report the extra VM RAM running.

Tried a couple of demo's which also worked, where before I was getting not enough RAM messages. But haven't really tested it further.

If someone is willing to try the ribbon idea for a reasonable price I'd be keen. :-)

Can't put a flat SIMM on mine due to the CPU fan, even though it's a very flat fan, unless I'm missing a trick there?

[AmigaClassicRule]

I looked at the ribbon idea, ribbon cable soldered to the apollo and then to a SIMM socket. Problem would be the length you could go with it.

It would need to run to the left and then back, wouldn't want it covering the fan of the apollo.

Was going to get it done but was told a 100 euro.... my soldering abilities I wouldn't attempt it myself, wouldnt want to damage the apollo.

The other option I was playing with his virtual memory, which I've managed to get working quite well. But breaks my WHDLoad with it running, haven't had a chance to test it with much, but avail command and sysinfo report the extra VM RAM running.

Tried a couple of demo's which also worked, where before I was getting not enough RAM messages. But haven't really tested it further.

If someone is willing to try the ribbon idea for a reasonable price I'd be keen. :-)

Can't put a flat SIMM on mine due to the CPU fan, even though it's a very flat fan, unless I'm missing a trick there?

What is the performance issue if you go virtual? How do I set up virtual memory? Can I run AmiQuake 2 with VM RAM at a good speed?

[Damion]

I toyed with the idea of getting 64MB in mine, I know there were a few demos that needed it. I bought the lowest profile right-angle SIMM socket I could find, and it looked like with that, a low-profile SIMM, and cutting away a piece of the metal keyboard bottom, it MIGHT fit.

[matthey]

What is the performance issue if you go virtual? How do I set up virtual memory? Can I run AmiQuake 2 with VM RAM at a good speed?

AmiQuake 2 is slow on even an overclocked 68060. Virtual Memory is out of the question performance wise. If you don't want a tower, how about a bigger wedge to give more room?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/505470364/the-x500-plus-computer-case

Loriano Pagni's case looks roomy and well designed. Maybe you could add a CD-ROM while you're at it?

[Lurch]

AmiQuake 2 aga runs really well on an 060@80MHz going by Nova's video.

TBH I'm not sure it's worth spending any more on my 1200, I can play Doom and SCUMMVM at full speed and that's all I really wanted :-)

There are only a couple of demo's that need more than 32MB. I haven't had much of a performance hit using VM memory but then again I'm using a FastATA which gives good seek times :-)

Will be even faster once I ditch the CFCard and go back to a standard 2.5" HDD.

I was going to buy a case from Loriano but can't afford it anymore. Sent him an email as I was backing it before the kickstarter started. Never got a reply back, felt bad I had to pull out :-(

Might see if I can get the cash before the kickstarter finishes :-(

[AmigaClassicRule]

AmiQuake 2 is slow on even an overclocked 68060. Virtual Memory is out of the question performance wise. If you don't want a tower, how about a bigger wedge to give more room?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/505470364/the-x500-plus-computer-case

Loriano Pagni's case looks roomy and well designed. Maybe you could add a CD-ROM while you're at it?

I love your idea Matthey!! This is exactly the perfect solution, can I use my Amiga 1200 motherboard in it? It is a perfect upgrade to everything!! Can I put my Amiga 1200 power supply in it (it is like the PC power supply but configured for Amiga 1200)? Can I raise the motherboard from touching the metal case of it when I install the motherboard and is there a hole for the PCMCIA and the disk drive?

Can I install the DVD player plus the Amiga 1200 original disk drive?

[NovaCoder]

AmiQuake 2 aga runs really well on an 060@80MHz going by Nova's video.

Quake 2 is never going to be 'fast' on AGA, I'm just trying to get it playable

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[Rob]

I love your idea Matthey!! This is exactly the perfect solution, can I use my Amiga 1200 motherboard in it? It is a perfect upgrade to everything!! Can I put my Amiga 1200 power supply in it (it is like the PC power supply but configured for Amiga 1200)? Can I raise the motherboard from touching the metal case of it when I install the motherboard and is there a hole for the PCMCIA and the disk drive?

Can I install the DVD player plus the Amiga 1200 original disk drive?

The cases are hand built so it may be that he can make one for your needs.  I guess it's best to get in contact with him and find out.

[Lurch]

Quake 2 is never going to be 'fast' on AGA, I'm just trying to get it playable

latest BETA

Looks okay to me, okay it's not as smooth as on a PC. But still playable :-)

[matthey]

I love your idea Matthey!! This is exactly the perfect solution, can I use my Amiga 1200 motherboard in it? It is a perfect upgrade to everything!! Can I put my Amiga 1200 power supply in it (it is like the PC power supply but configured for Amiga 1200)? Can I raise the motherboard from touching the metal case of it when I install the motherboard and is there a hole for the PCMCIA and the disk drive?

Can I install the DVD player plus the Amiga 1200 original disk drive?

I don't know that the X500 will fit a 1200 motherboard. The 1200 motherboard is a little bigger than some of the new motherboards and has other requirements (keyboard?). I'm surprised Loriano didn't plan for a 1200 from the beginning as I would expect this would be a good market opportunity for users like you who want room, a CD-ROM, and internal power supply for their 1200. The X500 does support a picoPSU up to 160W which is plenty for an accelerator with all the fixings. I imagine that some customization of the case (back plate?) and connector extenders would be necessary to make this a reality but then Loriano has been accommodating and communicative so far. You should try contacting him at least. Maybe you could report back what you find as I'm sure there are other 1200 owners that would be interested in doing the same modification.

[AmigaClassicRule]

I don't know that the X500 will fit a 1200 motherboard. The 1200 motherboard is a little bigger than some of the new motherboards and has other requirements (keyboard?). I'm surprised Loriano didn't plan for a 1200 from the beginning as I would expect this would be a good market opportunity for users like you who want room, a CD-ROM, and internal power supply for their 1200. The X500 does support a picoPSU up to 160W which is plenty for an accelerator with all the fixings. I imagine that some customization of the case (back plate?) and connector extenders would be necessary to make this a reality but then Loriano has been accommodating and communicative so far. You should try contacting him at least. Maybe you could report back what you find as I'm sure there are other 1200 owners that would be interested in doing the same modification.

Oh! What a shame It would have being the perfect solution for my A1200. It would clean up the mess in my room big time and allow me to do all sorts of upgrades, even including adding additional 32 Mb of SIM RAM for my Apollo pushing it to 64 MB of RAM without effecting my keyboard in any way. It would be like exactly towering my A1200 but not really towering it in a PC tower but in another A500 like keyboard case. I will try contacting him as you suggested, any idea what is his email address?

[matthey]

Oh! What a shame It would have being the perfect solution for my A1200. It would clean up the mess in my room big time and allow me to do all sorts of upgrades, even including adding additional 32 Mb of SIM RAM for my Apollo pushing it to 64 MB of RAM without effecting my keyboard in any way. It would be like exactly towering my A1200 but not really towering it in a PC tower but in another A500 like keyboard case. I will try contacting him as you suggested, any idea what is his email address?

There was a news thread about the X500 on this forum:

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=64180

You can find contact information there or on the kickstarter thread:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/505470364/the-x500-plus-computer-case