XRGB-mini FRAMEMEISTER: Possible Flicker Fixer Scandoubler?

[nicholas]

RGB->VGA

I ran my stock A1200 for over a year back in 92 with an RGB->VGA cable in DblPal mode before I bought a 1960 Multisync monitor.

[kedawa]

You are missing the point entirely.

LCD TV's support both PAL and NTSC at 50Hz and 60Hz. Models sold in the EMEA region also have a SCART connector that makes hooking up an Amiga easy and flicker-free. Models sold outside EMEA do not.

Who says that's 'the point'?

[nicholas]

Who says that's 'the point'?

Me, seeing as I made it.

[kedawa]

You quoted something I said and then made a completely tangential response.
I don't really care what your point is.

[bbond007]

XRGB-mini FRAMEMEISTER

http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/framemeister.html

http://www.solarisjapan.com/xrgb-mini-framemeister-compact-up-scaler-unit/

http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/XRGB-mini_FRAMEMEISTER

I have not tried one, has anyone else? They are not cheap but...

Looks awesome. Has an impressive amount of ports and plugs

[amiman99]

Looks kinda expensive to be a good alternative to Indivision.
Unless you found one at much better price.

[XDelusion]

That it is.

[nicholas]

You quoted something I said and then made a completely tangential response.

I quoted your reply to my initial point.

I don't really care what your point is.

The fact you keep going to the trouble of replying to me proves otherwise. Next!

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Why not just use an LCD TV with an RGB to SCART cable?

It's cheap and it does the job nicely.

Because it doesn't does the job nicely. Jerky scrolling, 'softened' picture and comb-effects is what you get.

[nicholas]

Because it doesn't does the job nicely. Jerky scrolling, 'softened' picture and comb-effects is what you get.

It's not perfect by any means but it's better than nowt.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

It's not perfect by any means but it's better than nowt.

Sure thing, an amiga gathering dust is sacrilege! Personally I have a 1084s for my miggies but I am considering an x-rgb... not sure though, I want to get the max out of my Amigas, so is that when I hook it up to my 20" sony crt or is the raw original the best way to experience Amiga 500/1200 games?

[nicholas]

Sure thing, an amiga gathering dust is sacrilege! Personally I have a 1084s for my miggies but I am considering an x-rgb... not sure though, I want to get the max out of my Amigas, so is that when I hook it up to my 20" sony crt or is the raw original the best way to experience Amiga 500/1200 games?

I've got a 1084 still around that I bought a couple of years ago, but for me to get the authentic late 80's feeling back I'd have to go to and find a crappy old CRT TV-set that blurs the pixels for that retro 82^16xFSAA effect like I had when I was a kid.

Has gens sold out of Indivsions btw?

[Speelgoedmannetje]

I've got a 1084 still around that I bought a couple of years ago, but for me to get the authentic late 80's feeling back I'd have to go to and find a crappy old CRT TV-set that blurs the pixels for that retro 82^16xFSAA effect like I had when I was a kid.

Well, my memories of the Amiga is the Amiga of my cousins, with which they had hooked on a 1084, so I guess I'll stich with the 1084

Has gens sold out of Indivsions btw?

I don't know, a quick look on the Vesalia.de website shows that the AGA model has sold out though.

I've thought about the Indivision, but I have hooked up more than an Amiga to my 1084 so that rules the Indivision out.

[danbeaver]

DHL delivered a Framemeister to my house today from Solaris in Japan; it took 31 days...  Now who at my house would have ordered something like that?

Spent an hour soldering/converting its JP-21 connector into a SCART to 8-pin mini din connector and after testing each pin connection thoroughly, plugged it into my work-in-progress A4000 to make sure all is well in the retro world.  Trial and error on the Japanese (kanji?) menus got me a sharp picture, although color saturation was a tad off.  Next step is to update the 1.08 firmware with 1.11 in English; also bought the 9 buck overlay for the remote off icBay, so that is a great help.

Of note, while there is no English translation of the manual accompanying the device, but all the plastic bags were labeled in English and French as hazards to young children.  This begs several questions: do Japanese children not choke or suffocate on plastic bags as do the English and French speaking children?  Are the latter more litigious than the Japanese?  Do the Japanese learn English or French to protect their children?  Since none of the bags are large enough to fit a baseball, does this imply that westerners have microcephally and are at risk, compared to the normocephallic Japanese?  I'm sure inquiring mind want to know!

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

DHL delivered a Framemeister to my house today from Solaris in Japan; it took 31 days...  Now who at my house would have ordered something like that?

Spent an hour soldering/converting its JP-21 connector into a SCART to 8-pin mini din connector and after testing each pin connection thoroughly, plugged it into my work-in-progress A4000 to make sure all is well in the retro world.  Trial and error on the Japanese (kanji?) menus got me a sharp picture, although color saturation was a tad off.  Next step is to update the 1.08 firmware with 1.11 in English; also bought the 9 buck overlay for the remote off icBay, so that is a great help.

Of note, while there is no English translation of the manual accompanying the device, but all the plastic bags were labeled in English and French as hazards to young children.  This begs several questions: do Japanese children not choke or suffocate on plastic bags as do the English and French speaking children?  Are the latter more litigious than the Japanese?  Do the Japanese learn English or French to protect their children?  Since none of the bags are large enough to fit a baseball, does this imply that westerners have microcephally and are at risk, compared to the normocephallic Japanese?  I'm sure inquiring mind want to know!

Ha, great review, Dan.  Isn't the Framemeister that $300 thing?  You'd think for that kind of money they could at least provide English instructions?  Or maybe I'm a bit biased since I know the entire world doesn't have English as it's first language.    Either way, so this thing requires soldering to be usuable on an Amiga?  I hope everyone on that other 100+ comment long thread knows that!  I just hate to see such an expensive solution being recommended to folks, when it's obviously not "plug and play", and maybe not everyone has the skills to solder and tune it like you do.

Oh well, I still say if they don't just get Indivisions, they're asking for trouble.  

[danbeaver]

The rgb input is a Japanese 21-pin connector that ends in an 8-pin mini din.  The 21-pin connector is the same design as SCART, but the pinout is different.  I found a hardwired cable online where someone has made the same modifications, but what's the fun in that.

Actually, Santa probably didn't pay retail (it was a gift) for the Xmas holiday season.

My post is not a review, as there are several excellent ones on the web.