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Re: XRGB-mini FRAMEMEISTER: Possible Flicker Fixer Scandoubler?
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2013, 04:19:06 AM »
Here is an article specific to using the mini framemeister with the Amiga:

http://www.videogameperfection.com/av-gear/xrgb-mini-framemeister-a-pal-torture-test/


And best of all it's specifically about using PAL machines and software with it since that's important in the Amiga ecosphere.

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Slow switching between interlaced and non interlaced screens



I personally wish someone would develop a new external Amiga Scandoubler/flickerfixer. I realize the image quality might not be as good as internal units, but convenience and the ability to move it from machine to machine would be huge.
 

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Re: XRGB-mini FRAMEMEISTER: Possible Flicker Fixer Scandoubler?
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2013, 04:46:28 AM »
Why not just use an LCD TV with an RGB to SCART cable?

It's cheap and it does the job nicely.
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Re: XRGB-mini FRAMEMEISTER: Possible Flicker Fixer Scandoubler?
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2013, 05:01:30 AM »
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Why not just use an LCD TV with an RGB to SCART cable?

It's cheap and it does the job nicely.


I would...if I lived in Euroland.




I have actually thought about importing a UK LCD TV just for this reason.
 

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Re: XRGB-mini FRAMEMEISTER: Possible Flicker Fixer Scandoubler?
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2013, 05:28:12 AM »
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I would...if I lived in Euroland.


I have actually thought about importing a UK LCD TV just for this reason.


Ditto, hey another Ohioan!
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Re: XRGB-mini FRAMEMEISTER: Possible Flicker Fixer Scandoubler?
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2013, 05:40:32 AM »
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I would...if I lived in Euroland.

I have actually thought about importing a UK LCD TV just for this reason.

Isn't everything made in China these days and even the cheapest Chinese LCD TV's one can find in the UK come with 50/60Hz support and SCART/UHF Coax/HDMI inputs.

Surely they don't make two separate models for each market anymore?
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Re: XRGB-mini FRAMEMEISTER: Possible Flicker Fixer Scandoubler?
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2013, 05:43:44 AM »
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Isn't everything made in China these days and even the cheapest Chinese LCD TV's one can find in the UK come with 50/60Hz support and SCART/UHF Coax/HDMI inputs.

Surely they don't make two separate models for each market anymore?



Us folks in the States get screwed.

No Scart and many of our sets either won't sync to 50Hz or if they do, they internal up sample to 60Hz making for jerky scrolling in Euro game and demos.
 

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Re: XRGB-mini FRAMEMEISTER: Possible Flicker Fixer Scandoubler?
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2013, 05:59:00 AM »
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Us folks in the States get screwed.

No Scart and many of our sets either won't sync to 50Hz or if they do, they internal up sample to 60Hz making for jerky scrolling in Euro game and demos.

:(

Just found this 19" widescreen HDTV on fleabay:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Digimate-LTV-1961WCR-19-HD-LCD-Television-/251116321834?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_Video_Televisions&hash=item3a77b2fc2a

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Video Signal  TV, DTV, SCART, CVBS, S-VIDEO, YPBPR, VGA, HDMI, USB

There are millions more like it for similar prices.
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Re: XRGB-mini FRAMEMEISTER: Possible Flicker Fixer Scandoubler?
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2013, 06:01:36 AM »
It might be even cheaper for you to import from one of the South American countries that use PAL like Brazil or Argentina etc.
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Re: XRGB-mini FRAMEMEISTER: Possible Flicker Fixer Scandoubler?
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2013, 12:09:38 PM »
It would be better to have things work properly on a monitor I actually own or want to own.  I already have a hard enough time finding monitors with acceptable latency without having to worry about PAL support..
 

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Re: XRGB-mini FRAMEMEISTER: Possible Flicker Fixer Scandoubler?
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2013, 08:04:25 PM »
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It would be better to have things work properly on a monitor I actually own or want to own.  I already have a hard enough time finding monitors with acceptable latency without having to worry about PAL support..

You are missing the point entirely.

LCD TV's support both PAL and NTSC at 50Hz and 60Hz. Models sold in the EMEA region also have a SCART connector that makes hooking up an Amiga easy and flicker-free. Models sold outside EMEA do not.
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Re: XRGB-mini FRAMEMEISTER: Possible Flicker Fixer Scandoubler?
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2013, 08:34:29 PM »
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You are missing the point entirely.

LCD TV's support both PAL and NTSC at 50Hz and 60Hz. Models sold in the EMEA region also have a SCART connector that makes hooking up an Amiga easy and flicker-free. Models sold outside EMEA do not.

So that puppy in your Ebay link can handle any Amiga screen mode you throw at it pretty much?
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Re: XRGB-mini FRAMEMEISTER: Possible Flicker Fixer Scandoubler?
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2013, 10:58:07 PM »
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So that puppy in your Ebay link can handle any Amiga screen mode you throw at it pretty much?

Pretty much yeah.

I bought a crappy "Goodmans" 15" LCD TV in 2005 that has VGA/SCART/Composite/UHF/S-Video inputs and it takes every AGA screenmode my old A1200 ever spat at it, so the newer ones should be just as good if not better.
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Re: XRGB-mini FRAMEMEISTER: Possible Flicker Fixer Scandoubler?
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2013, 11:30:06 PM »
Life begins at 100 MIPS!


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Re: XRGB-mini FRAMEMEISTER: Possible Flicker Fixer Scandoubler?
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2013, 11:42:23 PM »
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RGB->VGA

;)

I ran my stock A1200 for over a year back in 92 with an RGB->VGA cable in DblPal mode before I bought a 1960 Multisync monitor. :)
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