We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

[wawrzon]

 To a layman, one of the things I struggled with is the lack of documentation on this project.

of course its beta stage. therefore up to date documentation isnt a priority of course. if someone can program this much someone else should be able to read through few pages of the thread.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

if someone can program this much someone else should be able to read through few pages of the thread.

By "a few" you mean 32 pages and 630 comments, right?  :laughing:

[Dandy]

I saw that and was confused about it, as well.  To a layman, one of the things I struggled with is the lack of documentation on this project.  

I might be tempted to put a sort of documentation together, once I really got Netsurf running on my towered Amiga4000 PPC.

Not to say that Chris isn't doing great work, the browser definitely works on classic systems, but obviously it's not without issues.  It's a big project for just one guy.

Chris does a humdinger of a job!

Anyhow, if you're trying to run this on a classic system you need to download the version from this thread,

O.K. - just did that.
But it seems I'm going round in circles, as the ReadMe of this archive says again:

"Short:        Fast CSS capable web browser
Uploader:     chris@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk (Chris Young)
Author:       NetSurf contributors (OS4 port by Chris Young)
Type:         comm/www
Version:      3.4
Architecture: ppc-amigaos >= 4.0.0

This is NetSurf 3.4 for AmigaOS 4.
For the latest version, visit http://www.netsurf-browser.org
..."

I want the version for OS 3.9 - not the OS 4.x version!

AISS is not required (at least I didn't need to install it,

Hmmm - if AISS is not required - why did Chris write:

Prerequisites: AISS and a PNG DataType.

In his posting #572 Chris even wrote:

Oops, I should have mentioned that. It needs AISS installed, even if the default theme is selected (not sure why, need to check that). http://www.masonicons.de

Well, I have all the WarpDatatypes installed - including a PNG datatype, but I'm not sure about which AISS version to use (see my first posting #625).
Is the linked AISS version (aiss419.lha) for OS 3.x or is it for OS 4.x?

Unfortunately I cannot check its "ReadMe" here from work, as all I get is:

"This Website has been blocked

Information Security Policy 8.1.3.F Acceptable use of assets (a) Data access and resource privileges


Access to this web site (http://www.masonicons.de/) has been blocked because the website category "Uncategorized URLs" is not allowed."

I'm running OS3.9 + BB1-4 + WarpDT's).  

I'm running OS 3.9+BBs1-2/WarpOS 16.1. My TCP/IP stack is MiamiDX.
My hardware is:
A4000 with CyberstormPPC (50/200 mHz, 128 mB); MediatorPCI with Voodoo4, Terratec 512i digital and 10/100 mBit NIC in Zorro III; Deneb USB 2.0 highspeed in Zorro III.

Just unpack the archive, run the installer, it installs to a directory, assign NetSurf: to point that directory, and run it from the icon.  

I certainly will, once I know where to get the latest OS 3.x version (the version linked for download here in this thread seems to be for OS 4.x, at least according to the ReadMe) and once the AISS issue is resolved...

You'll probably want to play around with the config options, there's a a few tips on those buried somewhere in this thread, haha.

LoL
But first let me get the stuff properly installed...

Good luck, post a screenshot when you get it running!  

Will do, but I'm afraid I will need more help to get it running...

[utri007]

Don't care what readme says, it is OS3.5/9 version. Chris just hasn't changed it to readme.

Current version doesn't require AISS and neither didn't previous version. I just required assign. Worked with TBImages assigned anywhere.

Maybe you could addvertice this to German forums, Chris needs a help. Maybe someone there couold have interest help him.

Tips

With AGA systems just install an run
With RTG systems open Users/Default/Choices add friend_bitmap:1 to it

[wawrzon]

Maybe you could addvertice this to German forums, Chris needs a help. Maybe someone there couold have interest help him.

what kind of help it is, you think he needs? because if you mean testing, there is already competent feedback in this thread, perticularly matthey. but if you mean programming, chris has asked around here for years. i cant think of anybody on german or polish forums who could help much more with it. perhaps i would rather try eab. but altogether there are hardware experts, there are some asm coders, but when it comes to huge c projects, you can count the candidates on one hand even when it comes to amiga ng offshots. one to consider might be artur, the autor of sdl port, but so far i remember he is aware, and if he could, he would.

[wawrzon]

Is the linked AISS version (aiss419.lha) for OS 3.x or is it for OS 4.x?

these are just images afair, its no matter for what system it is.

Will do, but I'm afraid I will need more help to get it running...

or you may consider to wait till its more complete and comes with all documentation you wish. i have not tried it lately, but i doubt it is currently satisfactory for regular user.

[Dandy]

Don't care what readme says, it is OS3.5/9 version. Chris just hasn't changed it to readme.
Current version doesn't require AISS and neither didn't previous version. I just required assign.

Thanks for the quick reply. I'll give it another try tonight.

Worked with TBImages assigned anywhere.

Now you got me!
WTF is "TBImages"

Maybe you could addvertice this to German forums, Chris needs a help. Maybe someone there couold have interest help him.

Yes, of course, I can do that.
Just tell me what requirements those have to meet that want to help/contribute.

Tips

With AGA systems just install an run
With RTG systems open Users/Default/Choices add friend_bitmap:1 to it

Thanks for the tip (but I don't think I will ever use AGA again - my eyes are bad enough now...   )!

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Now you got me!
WTF is "TBImages"

I don't think anyone knows.  

With older builds it was an issue every time you started the program it would ask for the assign "TBImages:".  I would just assign it where ever, like pointing to the program directory, it didn't seem to make a difference.  In any case, sounds like it's been fixed now so it's not something you'll need to worry about.  

Edit: oh, and +1 to the tip about friend_bitmap:1.  Made a big difference for me!  

[chris]

Ignore AISS, it doesn't need it (I'd edit my previous post but it won't let me).  Ignore the readme, the package is created from the OS4 sources so that's what the readme says it needs.  friend_bitmap probably isn't needed now either, I think I forced that on for RTG in the latest build.

Just tell me what requirements those have to meet that want to help/contribute.

The main thing right now is fixing the optimisation bug in GCC.  It optimises away NewObject's taglist which means I can't build with optimisations on, which makes it slower and means there's no Javascript.

Other than that, general optimisation and bug-fixing in C, especially wrt rendering.  I'm happy to slot hand-crafted 68k asm in if somebody wants to write it!

[chris]

Well, I downloaded it from the link on Amiga-News.de (http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2015-08-00045-DE.html) both times.
cgutjahr told me, that Chris updated the archive 5 days after the news item, the link being the same.

I'm rather puzzled that this has become a news item.  At least it acknowledges the alpha status and the confusion with Artur's fork having the same name.

[Dandy]

...
With older builds it was an issue every time you started the program it would ask for the assign "TBImages:".  I would just assign it where ever, like pointing to the program directory, it didn't seem to make a difference.  In any case, sounds like it's been fixed now so ...

Thanks for the info, mate!

[matthey]

The main thing right now is fixing the optimisation bug in GCC.  It optimises away NewObject's taglist which means I can't build with optimisations on, which makes it slower and means there's no Javascript.

There are 2 logical solutions to the optimization bug.

1) Change the compiler version or compiler to one without the bug.
2) Isolate the buggy optimization and disable it (with command line switch).

Either would take some time but there should be a significant difference between -O0 and -O2.

[Dandy]

Ignore AISS, it doesn't need it (I'd edit my previous post but it won't let me).  Ignore the readme, the package is created from the OS4 sources so that's what the readme says it needs.  friend_bitmap probably isn't needed now either, I think I forced that on for RTG in the latest build.

Thanks for clarification, Chris!

The main thing right now is fixing the optimisation bug in GCC.  It optimises away NewObject's taglist which means I can't build with optimisations on, which makes it slower and means there's no Javascript.

Other than that, general optimisation and bug-fixing in C, especially wrt rendering.  I'm happy to slot hand-crafted 68k asm in if somebody wants to write it!

I e-mailed cgutjahr at amiga-news.de and told him what kind of help you need. It`s up to him to decide if I should open a thread for it or if he makes a news item of it. We will see...

[Dandy]

I'm rather puzzled that this has become a news item.  At least it acknowledges the alpha status and the confusion with Artur's fork having the same name.

 
From this you can see how desperately a decent browser for classic AmigaOS is awaited...
 

[apj]

Finally 3.4 Dev2 is here!

* added libnix build (beta). Uses system math libraries.
* added Messages translations support
* added pasting text into search bar
* added utf8 charset into bookmarks
* added scale_aga option to use own website scaling in aga mode
* implemended resource loading from OS4 version by Chris Young
* improved options opening and switching to Workbench in AGA version
* updated to newest sources
* added warp_mode for clib. Uses 100% cpu for more speed
* fixed buttons highlighting (more than one stayed highlighted)
* fixed OpenURL handling
* set default net_player to Ampilfier
* reenabled disc cache
* created github repository at https://github.com/arczi84/NetSurf-68k

NetSurf-m68k-3.4-Dev2.lha (AGA builds included)

[QuikSanz]

Wow! nice work. This will become the 68k standard I think, keep up the excellent job you guys are doing! 68k revival? Patiently waiting.