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Offline chris

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #419 from previous page: February 05, 2015, 10:11:48 AM »
Quote from: pVC;783068
Sorry to jump in cluelessly, because I haven't read the full thread, but if you're using P96 functions, will it work with CGX setups at all then? Wouldn't it be better to use CGX functions which would work under P96 too and thus get all setups supported? Or is this only meant to be run under emulation (speed wouldn't be enough for anything under real HW)?


The plan is to get it fast enough for real hardware (I can't get a proper idea of speed myself as I can't run it on my A1200 atm).  P96 is only used if it is available - in the OS3 build due to the earlier problems there is currently *no* P96 being used, even on 32-bit screens (it opens the library if available, but that's it!).
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Offline chris

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #420 on: February 05, 2015, 02:40:32 PM »
I've added a todo/known issues to the wiki here: http://wiki.netsurf-browser.org/Todo/AmigaOS_frontend#OS3_Support
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Offline chris

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #421 on: February 05, 2015, 07:03:45 PM »
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here under the upper edge you see artifacts, as result of scrolling:


I've put a new build up in an attempt to fix this problem.  It most likely isn't fixed for scrolling, but visiting one page and then another should stop the previous page showing through.  Let me know if it works or not.

The status bar should be in the right place now too.
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Offline wawrzon

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #422 on: February 05, 2015, 08:20:20 PM »
to be honest i wasnt much aware of both problems you mention up till now. well, i notice that sometimes few bits and pieces of previous page appear here and there after navigating further even now, what concerns status bar i dont even know where to look for it. the upper half of upper frame gets over imposed with some text from somewhere else. im sure under os4 the issue gets mashed by decoration, as i know very same issues on aros. btw have used netsurf to download your file, which worked very well.
 

Offline utri007

ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #424 on: February 05, 2015, 09:23:57 PM »
@utri007

did you give it enough stack?
 

Offline chris

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #425 on: February 05, 2015, 10:14:05 PM »
Quote from: utri007;783102
I didn't have much a luck with Netsurf and my two Amigas

A1200 040 32mb ram

https://zjolha.bl3301.livefilestore.com/y2pKWiN0doK_VqpNsivb6VcJlWvRtDxSQAJvfzx1V83Fpv3dt8gEwnfCD306z6LsMhEqqK59C1mL4BfOgvgj7lBYVrrKc2hkL9-d7UDyvWhAtXLpxFK-nP-Iqupwr6DwdbvR2nZxw9BnS3H1z9u4HtBmw/WP_20150205_005.jpg


I've seen software failure errors on startup here. If you try again it often works. It's very random, I'm hoping somebody can figure out the cause.
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Offline utri007

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #426 on: February 05, 2015, 10:35:01 PM »
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #427 on: February 05, 2015, 10:52:09 PM »
i dont think it is random. i started an a1200 emu /040/32mb accel ram and netsurf refuses to initialize. nothing wrong in serial log, will enable snoopdos and muforce if necessary to see if it catches anything. perhaps an alignment issue?

edit: looks like 32mb with os3.9 may not be enough as less than 20mb remains available after full boot here, 64mb might be necessary, tested with mmu, muforce and without jit. have no 1200 romat hand, but i think that this is the issue.

funny enough os3.9 seems to have more ram consumption than aros68k while lacking its features.;)
« Last Edit: February 05, 2015, 11:03:07 PM by wawrzon »
 

Offline chris

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #428 on: February 05, 2015, 11:24:34 PM »
Quote from: wawrzon;783101
to be honest i wasnt much aware of both problems you mention up till now. well, i notice that sometimes few bits and pieces of previous page appear here and there after navigating further even now,


I've uploaded another version.  Any change?

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what concerns status bar i dont even know where to look for it. the upper half of upper frame gets over imposed with some text from somewhere else.


Yeah, that's the status bar.  It's supposed to be in the bottom border, but my changes haven't helped (just confirmed here on my A1200, as that's one thing I get far enough to check!)

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btw have used netsurf to download your file, which worked very well.


Cool!

Quote from: wawrzon;783119
i dont think it is random. i started an a1200 emu /040/32mb accel ram and netsurf refuses to initialize. nothing wrong in serial log, will enable snoopdos and muforce if necessary to see if it catches anything. perhaps an alignment issue?

edit: looks like 32mb with os3.9 may not be enough as less than 20mb remains available after full boot here, 64mb might be necessary, tested with mmu, muforce and without jit. have no 1200 romat hand, but i think that this is the issue.


Are you sure?  With 2+16MB here I at least get the main window up before it crashes, which is further than utri is getting, so I doubt it's memory related (also his second Amiga has 64MB...).  It *does* crash here on startup, both on my A1200 and under OS4, but not every time.

utri: Just to confirm, can you do an "avail" in the Shell after it crashes?
Also if you have any patches running (especially ones common to the two machines) can you get rid of them and see if that makes a difference?
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Offline wawrzon

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #429 on: February 06, 2015, 01:07:28 AM »
sorry chris, couldnt open the archive, produced errors, im a bit tired now, maybe tomorrow. i forgot to mention you cannot quit netsurf, neither in menu nor closing window.
 

Offline utri007

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #430 on: February 06, 2015, 06:13:11 AM »
I do avail latter today.

Patch I'm running are easy, MCP, cardreset and cardpatch.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

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Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #431 on: February 06, 2015, 12:58:17 PM »
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I do avail latter today.

Patch I'm running are easy, MCP, cardreset and cardpatch.


Which patches in MCP are running?
 

Offline utri007

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #432 on: February 06, 2015, 05:55:33 PM »
Tested without any patches installed, it didn't make a diffrence. Tested with both machines.

Desktop A1200 did had FBlit and Ftext intalled also. Towerized machine had only MCP installed.

PS. Does that MCP's no guru give any usefull information?
« Last Edit: February 06, 2015, 06:03:50 PM by utri007 »
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

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Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #433 on: February 07, 2015, 12:58:18 AM »
Quote from: Karlos;724342
Is there's some special need you felt to insult everybody else on the forum? Or are you naturally this rude?

@a-pex

There are other possibilities in the short term. This site went through a similar transition a while ago was updated to a version of vbulletin that is heavily dependent on CSS for layout and some functionality.

This upset a few classic users that couldn't use the site after the update. So, I wrote a small degrader proxy in PHP that parses the markup and degrades it into (far obsoleted) HTML that iBrowse (and AWeb) can cope with.

Compare this site in iBrowse versus this one: http://aoproxy.extropia.co.uk/

What you could do is set up a sub domain on a1k and we could look at installing a suitably modified version of the code on it to cope with whatever forum engine you ultimately go for.


@Karlos,

Hi old man,

Smerf
I have no idea what your talking about, so here is a doggy with a small pancake on his head.

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Offline utri007

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #434 on: February 07, 2015, 09:10:54 AM »
Checked memory usage, time of crash 200kb chip and 5000kb fast.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD