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Offline chris

Re: We n an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #179 on: January 19, 2015, 11:07:44 PM »
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Dumb question, but NetSurf is 4.0/4.1 only, right?  Any chance of back-porting it to 3.9 systems?  Thx!

That's precisely why I posted.

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Sorry I didn't read the whole 178 posts in this thread. Post #176 mentions (quote) "yes, that earlier test was on OS3.5". So I would assume that at least at some point NetSurf ran on classic systems. Maybe I should just google it, lol. :p

Sorry, I resurrected an old thread as I thought it would provide useful context - it's a continuation of the discussion here.

Currently there is a 68k version of NetSurf, but it is based on the Framebuffer frontend.
The OS4 version is a full native GUI but it is built for OS4 only.

The intention is to back-port the OS4 frontend to OS3.9. To achieve this I've fixed the toolchain and loads of "easy" compiler errors. It's now in a broken state in that it has real bugs which need fixing. As I said, it builds and runs under OS3 but doesn't get very far.

When this thread was previously active people were struggling to even compile it. Now that's sorted I'm hoping for some actual help.
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Offline danbeaver

We have iBrowse for 68k!!!
« Reply #180 on: January 19, 2015, 11:24:45 PM »
The question I asked in a serpentine manor was, "Does a 680X0 CPU have enough processing power to handle the demands of Netsurf?"

It might be like running Timberwolf on a Classic Amiga with a 604e PPC (it too crashes).
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #181 on: January 19, 2015, 11:26:44 PM »
Thanks for the clarification! Sorry I'm not a coder so not of any actual help, but maybe post a video of it working under 3.x in it's current state, and start a Kickstarter or something? I think there's a lot of people clamoring for an updated 3.x browser.

IMHO AmigaKit should fund it or send some programming help your way. :)
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Offline danbeaver

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #182 on: January 19, 2015, 11:32:33 PM »
I gave up coding for Lent in 1987 to concentrate on what I was being paid for ;(
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Offline chris

Re: We have iBrowse for 68k!!!
« Reply #183 on: January 19, 2015, 11:47:48 PM »
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The question I asked in a serpentine manor was, "Does a 680X0 CPU have enough processing power to handle the demands of Netsurf?"


Yes. NEXT!
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Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #184 on: January 20, 2015, 05:09:47 AM »
Where is the source with your changes?

I'd like to take a look, but no commitments.

I'm waiting on parts for my system, so I'm not set up to do anything but read over it ATM.
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Offline utri007

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #185 on: January 20, 2015, 06:36:01 AM »
Great news :) Hopefully you get some help.

Original RiscOS version of Netsurf requires 68030 equvalent ARM6 cpu and 16mb ram. With 16mb ram it wouldn't have much a use, but it should start.
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Re: We have iBrowse for 68k!!!
« Reply #186 on: January 20, 2015, 08:02:41 AM »
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The question I asked in a serpentine manor was, "Does a 680X0 CPU have enough processing power to handle the demands of Netsurf?"

It might be like running Timberwolf on a Classic Amiga with a 604e PPC (it too crashes).


Timberwolf can barely run on a 933mhz G4 let alone a 604e.
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Offline chris

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #187 on: January 20, 2015, 08:32:05 AM »
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Where is the source with your changes?


http://git.netsurf-browser.org
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Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #188 on: January 20, 2015, 08:37:07 AM »
Oh, I assumed that you were working on your own without committing changes back yet.

Are you cross compiling or building on the Amiga?
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Offline chris

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #189 on: January 20, 2015, 09:30:44 AM »
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Are you cross compiling or building on the Amiga?


Cross-compiling using the toolchain in the repo.  I have a Debian 64-bit VM set up just for this.

I haven't natively built it for years, and can't say for sure whether that still works.
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Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #190 on: January 20, 2015, 10:47:18 AM »
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Original RiscOS version of Netsurf requires 68030 equvalent ARM6 cpu and 16mb ram. With 16mb ram it wouldn't have much a use, but it should start.
Sounds good.
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Offline wawrzon

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #191 on: January 20, 2015, 11:03:50 AM »
im working on compiling netsurf 2.0 with itix mui frontend against aros headers. im compiling it towards amiga-m68k target while im working on it, but it should be as platform independent as possible. netsurf itself wasnt that of a deal, but the frontend is a bit more complicated. i must get ttengine to build within aros build system for now. if this succeed im going to update netsurf to the current version, try to adapt the frontend and let it build within the build system as well. this is all i can do for now, being a noob.
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Offline chris

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #192 on: January 20, 2015, 11:19:23 AM »
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im working on compiling netsurf 2.0


There have been a *lot* of frontend changes since then.
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Offline NovaCoder

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #193 on: January 20, 2015, 11:48:37 AM »
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OK guys, I spent some time fixing up the 68k toolchain for NetSurf, so it now builds again and all the dependent libraries build too.
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I should probably try to build a simple ReAction example to check that side of things is working, as the splash window couldn't be much simpler so it makes me think the macros are somehow screwed up.

I'll probably keep poking it with my stick but it would progress a lot quicker if I had some help.  Anybody?



Great work Chris, nice to see some 68k progress :)
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Offline wawrzon

Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #194 from previous page: January 20, 2015, 12:36:57 PM »
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There have been a *lot* of frontend changes since then.


yes, ive been told that.
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