Would you support this project? -please read-

[lempkee]

imaboringperson:i dont know when u used an real amiga last but , i am pretty sure amiga is "92" .. but then again i belive u where just messing :=)

anyway


amidelf:good luck with sony , best chance u have is to step into their office in oslo or use any of the big developer teams in norway to reach them (Hp/Dell etc) and this i say because i had to do the same some time ago , there is an "question form on the sony website , diffrent to which sections you use" or was anyway.

anyway if i had 3 billion ukp in my account i might have tried this, but first of all i would have decided everything and made sure it was waterproof! (ie no mishapps or changes as you go (which killed COMMODORE and many more)

 

[AmiDelf]

I want to go further than just daydreaming. I want a new Amiga now! So, I will go for the project from Monday on. Promoting it! Getting people involved and more.

I have to learn more about Emotion Engine, how it works and more. Its the decission now, but in the end it could be something else.

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org

[Emufreak]

A Motherboard with Graphics and Sound On-Board and an OS who is optimised to this hardware would be great.

I think thats what makes the PS2 or the XBOX so powerfull. The hardware itself is actually pretty lowend.

I don't think it matters that much wich chips will be used. They're more or less the same. Just don't reinvent the wheel.

[Cymric]

AmiDelf wrote:
I want to go further than just daydreaming. I want a new Amiga now! So, I will go for the project from Monday on. Promoting it! Getting people involved and more.

Before you embark on your journey, answer this simple question. It has popped up in the discussion a few times, and you haven't answered it yet. And even if you think the majority of us here are cynical old bastards without a single spark of imagination and idealism, you really should think very hard about the answer. Not as much for us, but far more for yourself.

The question: What do you feel or think constitutes the 'Amiga feeling' you are trying to recreate with your new setup? Or, put in different words: What do you feel or think is currently lacking from the hardware we can purchase today---something so vital and unique that it is absolutely necessary to develop it yourself?

Right now, you are without a shadow of a doubt acting on impulse and a strong desire to 'get something going'. You select a few chipsets at random and pray to the good spirits that it will all, somehow, magically, come together. It doesn't work that way. Think before you leap: it will save you a lot of trouble later on.

[itix]

The new Amiga, will be based oppon Emotion Engine.

Uhm, that is not going to happen. Sony wont give their valuable technology for free and they do not operate with
individuals. To make it happen you must establish a partnership with Sony but since you don't own Amiga and you don't
control OS there is no chance.

Sorry m8.

[AmiDelf]

The finished idea will be published on
www.amigaworld.org on Monday

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org

[downix]

@patrik

It's not at a point I feel comfortable demonstrating it.  The basics are pretty straightforward, it is a 2-chip solution that covers audio, I/O and video in a system.  A copper-like solution combined with a GPU and DSP, a little more difficult to program than the Amiga but you can do more with it.

[downix]

@bloodline

Actually you can put the EE w/ graphics system as a subsystem of a computer rather than as the heart.

In fact, a similar manner to how the Hombre was to work.

[that_punk_guy]

lempkee wrote:
imaboringperson:i dont know when u used an real amiga last but , i am pretty sure amiga is "92" .. but then again i belive u where just messing :=)

Err, my Amiga 1200 has 97 keys...

[bloodline]

that_punk_guy wrote:

lempkee wrote:
imaboringperson:i dont know when u used an real amiga last but , i am pretty sure amiga is "92" .. but then again i belive u where just messing :=)

Err, my Amiga 1200 has 97 keys...

He probably wasn't counting the magic invisible troll keys...

[Varthall]

Are you aware that IF your project will be successfull, you would split even more the Amiga community? We are already divided into two communities, one supporting the A1 and the other the Pegasos, which I find highly unneccessary... you would really like to create a new, even smaller "Amiga" community?
Instead, why don't you support the AmigaOne and/or the Pegasos? Both they need coders to port new software, to make new demos... Why don't you focus on this, which is really needed by the community NOW?
The Amiga feeling was made at most by its os and software!  You don't like the hardware? Many people at the time also complained for the architecture of some of the classic amigas, like the a600 or the a4000 with its crippled memory bus and the slow performance of the AGA chipset. There's no computer that would satisfy everyone, so let's work with what we already have!
And about that Amiga feeling... well I guess it's about time it gets 'upgraded" to today's standards.

Varthall

[StarOne]

I think a computer built like the Amiga would work incredibly well even today. I mean, there's a reason why consoles are so popular. People like custom hardware, and  making a custom computer with the option of adding extra hardware could do incredibly fine.

And why would the custom chips be so incredibly outdated? I mean, the PS2 has custom chips developed by Sony, and that wasn't exactly outdated when the console was released. Even after all this time, some games look better than anything on the market. If you could get developers to develop for the custom chips, which I think they would do at least the first couple of years and then move forward to the extra hardware added to the computer.

I would ABSOLUTELY support such a project, especially if it would be an Amiga, and was backwards compatible. And I don't think adding the AGA chipsets would work fine, like how the PS2 have a PSone included. And no, the PS2 doesn't EMULATE a PSone if anyone wondered.

[TheMagicM]

I would not support it.  You have 2 great machines already.. Pegasos and a AmigaOne.

To me, the hardware is not what made the Amiga "feeling", or what I "identified" with.   Just because a new piece of hardware (a machine) comes out doesnt mean you're going to recapture what was in the past.

What gave me  that "feeling" or "identity" you're talking about was the software, the comradierie (sp) of the Amiga community as a whole.  With software you were able to see what your system could do, and were impressed..thats what gave me the good feeling.

Give it time...its too early to brush off a Pegasos or A1...once MORE software is developed (games, utilities etc) the feeling will come back.

>I mean, there's a reason why consoles are so popular. People like custom hardware

I bought my Xbox to play Halo and Extreme Beach Volleyball, not because it was custom hardware. I would buy a PSX2 to play Grand Tourismo 3 and perhaps a couple other specific games, but because it has custom hardware. I can't think of any Game Cube games that I'm interested in right now, and I sure as heck won't be buying that custom hardware that I don't have a good game for just because it's custom hardware.

Consoles are so popular because people want to play videogames they like, not because the thing is different than a PC computer.

>I mean, the PS2 has custom chips developed by Sony, and that wasn't exactly outdated when the console was released.

Sony also sell millions of the things to pay for the chip development and manufacturing.

Please, explain exactly what features or characteristics or whatever it is you guys see lacking in off the shelf parts that make them not have this mystical "Amiga feel" to them. If you don't know exactly what it is, how can you hope to make sure it appears in your AAA+/custom 3d chipset implementation to finally make you happy?? What if you only have a vague idea of what is missing, will you then only implement half of this special Amiga feeling to your chips and still be unhappy? What exctly is the void needing filled, and what exactly needs to be done to fill it?

I'd like my curiosity satisfied as to what is missing from AmigaOne/Pegasos and standard PCI/AGP cards, and being able to explain it to us "doubters" will also help define your product so that you can properly design and implement what you are talking about to your own satisfaction for the final product... For the moment I've given up trying to understand the obsession with expensive hardware (the remaining Amiga market is so small there's no way in heck it'll be as cheap as a PSX2 chipset from Sony), but I would like to encourage you guys to think about what exactly needs done to make you happy. Being able to explain it will help you understand how and what to design for your project.

To the guy that spent 7 years designing a chipset and the original poster, and others who want custom hardware, does this almost finished thing he made satisfy this special Amiga feeling? If not, what needs changed to make it fit this need?

[AmiDelf]

This Amiga wont be splitting Amiga community at all. It will just follow the path of Commodore. Amiga was a computer, and it still should be.

As for now:
Amiga 5200 will be the prototype. To this stage. It will take about 4-5 months to the end product. If it goes well and people will be interested in buying it. Lets bring it out.

Amiga 5600 is just a dream in the future. But it would contain some sort of "new" custom gfx chipset.

Amiga 6000 is planned as beeing the final product.

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Amiga 5200 specs:
- Virtua3D gfx custom chipset (as seen in Dreamcast)
- PPC G3 600MHz (We've left ColdFire atm)
- Kickstart v4.0
- AGP slot
- PCI slots
- Zorro slots
- 2x SD-RAM slots
- Amiga joystick and mouse ports
- USB 2.0
- USB Amiga keyboard

This Amiga will be aimed at home and entertain marked. It will also be a nice multimedia computer for shopping centers, infochannels for Shopping centers and more. You will be able to watch DivX on it, play Amiga games and be supported.

Remember that this is a project and it is a dream. I want it to go thru, with some help, it can be done.

I want the Amiga back, so others too. AmigaOne will be a nice alternative offcourse and we aim at AmigaOS4 or something else.

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org

[Kronos]

It will take about 4-5 months to the end product.

HELLOOOOOOOOoooooo

Is there anybody out there ?

Even a a full-fledged and experienced HW-dev-team would take more than that for
a simple mobo, and it would take years for a dedicated hobby-crew.

Honestly, I would say that people like you harrasing companies with nutcase-ideas
are doing much harm for anything "Amiga" (and they are certainly doing nothing good).