Would you support this project? -please read-

[PMC]

It's a great idea IMHO, but although Coldfire would be a great upgrade solution for classic users, it doesn't make any sense now that we're migrating to PPC.  Nor can I see the point of resurrecting AAA after over a decade.  Such technologies would be viewed as an anachronism today and an expensive one at that.

I'd personally like to see something a little more imaginative and radical than the existing ATX PPC designs, preferably with industry standard interfaces (eg ATX, PCI etc) but with a thorough rethink more in line with the traditional Amiga way of doing things (for example, I don't want to see an ugly BIOS screen when starting my machine).  The point made earlier about it not necessarily being about how powerful the hardware is but how it's used is valid and I believe there's space in the market for such a solution today, provided it can compete on cost grounds.  

[Amiperson2K3]

Would you support this project?

Certainly not, the Amigaone is just to expensive for what little it offers,  this custom idea would cost the buyer to much money and only a obsessed Amiga fan would buy one.

587 for a A1 is just idiotic, so for a custom job you want it would be like a grand per board what would be a museum piece compared to the rest of the computing world.

[AmiDelf]

Thats so wrong of you ....

Amiga 500, Amiga 600, Amiga 1200 was all custom based Amigas and they didnt cost too much at all.

So I doubt its soooo much more expensive this times to create something new.

And to the AAA+ point:
Well, what I am talking about. I a next generation 2D/3D custom graphic chipset. Based on how AGA was made, but offcourse fully 32bit+ 32mb chip RAM++

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org

[Piru]

Yes! a 220MHz ColdFireV4 cpu, is way faster than 060 offcourse.

Except that it isn't, at least if you want to run existing m68k code.

If not AmigaOS4 will run on it, AROS could for example, or something else.

What something else?

When I buy a Amiga, I want to buy a real Amiga, and not a PPC motherboard with a PC modified case wich a reseller puts tougether for you. Thats not an Amiga and I know that there is lots of people wich agree with me. But its TABU to say something else today, than going the cheapest way.

I disagree with you.

Sorry for beeing so harsh, but Amiga 6000 would be a great computer. But its just to hard for people to think custom. But it can be done!

Look how beutifull the Amiga 4000T case from Commodore was and all the things wich was with it. Both SCSI and IDE controllers on motherboard++ Thats the cream of the cake in Amiga world. And A6000 would go even further.

I want AmigaOne, but I also want the real Amiga feeling back. So do others and if we can get tougether and show and support such project. This can be done. Its all about will,.. the will to challenge the world we live in now.

Again, I hate to piss on someone's parade, but:

Have you ever realized how much money such project would require? It would be at LEAST 10x what developing a new system using standard parts would be (AmigeONE or Pegasos). I am sorry to wake you up from your daydream, but it takes much more than willpower. It takes money and resources, which just aren't there.

I also find it disgusting you spin this non-existing and totally unrealistic "project" using "Amiga feeling" and pictures of old amigas. Classic Amiga has nothing to do with this. This is not real Amiga, either.

This thing you're planning would not be able to run AmigaOS or Amiga applications any faster then current 060 Amigas, anyway.

This is my personal opinion of the matter.

[AmiDelf]

You dont read... you just dont...

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org

[Piru]

You dont read... you just dont...

I read the original post. You asked for opinions of such project, and I gave mine.

My opinion is that I find it unrealistic and not feasible at all. I would not like to get into project like this. I would not like to help finance the project, either.

Please note that I didn't even bite your obvious flamebait about "cheapness" of some other projects.

I am webmaster of amigaworld.org and would love to get a custom based Amiga back on the track.

Are you also a millionaire with lots of millionaire friends to buy it?

[asian1]

Hello
IMO the project need massive capital and may become other failed platform.You will need massive advertisement, lots of programmers for porting various applications, support etc. To become profitable you should sell at least several million units.

For CPU perhaps it's better to use Transmeta or other X86 CPU with fast 68K emulation. For chipset perhaps it's better to modify existing "all in one" chipset: Sis, Nforce etc.

There is lack of Coldfire promotion and support from Motorola. They refused to sell small quantity / prototype of V5e, V6e CF. The V4 220 MHz CPU does not have any floating point support inside the CPU. They cannot increase the speed to multi GHz.

[DaNi]

wowwww is great AAA rulez! in this page are pretty with very info of AAA =)
http://www.titan.co.nz/amigaak/AA020710.htm

The coldfire is available with 333mhz too =) (800mhz from motorola too, see the official motorola home page) or you can ask oliver from cdtv.org, is working on this too

Is pretty an amiga with coldfire+AAA =) A5000 is a great name with monica, linda, andrea and mary customs chips =)

[PMC]

Well, what I am talking about. I a next generation 2D/3D custom graphic chipset. Based on how AGA was made, but offcourse fully 32bit+

But AGA was comparatively expensive to make.  A bespoke chipset is a great idea in theory, but will cost the earth to design, engineer and manufacture.  This in turn drives up the cost.  Who'd buy a 220Mhz, bespoke  AAA system in 2004 for a not inconsiderable cost penalty when you can buy a high end PC for under £500?  

An off the shelf chipset with custom drivers is a much more cost effective solution.  Unless we're talking about selling our Amiga in PS2 volumes of course...  That way development costs are spread over a large production run.

[Amiperson2K3]

Thats so wrong of you ....

I am allowed to have my opinions which you wanted,  i just do not live in the past and certainly do not want to buy expensive hardware what is not even slightly on par with current offerings.

The OS is all i am interested in not some glorified expensive slow hardware with names for every chip which just costs a small fortune for the pleasure.

[bloodline]

AmiDelf wrote:
Thats so wrong of you ....

Amiga 500, Amiga 600, Amiga 1200 was all custom based Amigas and they didnt cost too much at all.

So I doubt its soooo much more expensive this times to create something new.

And to the AAA+ point:
Well, what I am talking about. I a next generation 2D/3D custom graphic chipset. Based on how AGA was made, but offcourse fully 32bit+ 32mb chip RAM++

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org

You forget that Commodore had it's own fabs and the Amiga chips set was "ready designed" (4 years of wok had already been put in) when they bought it.

The AGA chipset was designed as a simple upgrade to the OCS, it did not require any serious rethinking, and they had 6 years to design it!!!

The Technology in AGA was 10 years old before it even hit the shelves... it is far too old to be useful now :-(

Even the cheapest most pathetic VGA cards can out perform the AGA chpset in terms of graphics and video, and lets not even go near the state of the AGA audio.

The only thing I miss from the AGA chipset is the copper, but even that has limited usefullness with a modern 3D chip around.

There does need to be a shake up of Technology, but the Amiga Chips set is not going to be the basis for it :-(

[Plaz]

I think your goal to produce another amiga mother board is admirable, but unrealistic. I would love to see a coldfire amiga, but by the time you worked out the design it would probably be to expensive and too far behind the performace of PPC systems to be viable.  What if you could work on a PPC system of your own? A small integrated PPC system with it's own custom cases. That could be profitable and in the spirit and fun of amiga for me too. I would even like to help work on a system like that.

Plaz

[Melaure]

I don't know what is a coldfire but i doubt that it can compete with a PowerPC G5 which less expansive than the Motorola G4 (almost dead).

An Amiga 5500/6000 with G5 would sound nice for me

[AmiDelf]

This Amiga with go on like this

1. Getting financial support from Motorola

2. Getting Shiftec to contribute with A4000T alike case

3. Talking with those hardware people with NuOS and Oliver

4. Intergrate some sort of MediatorPCI technology into this, + adding SD-RAM and AGP

5. Getting OS support from Hyperion in the end

We need Amigas now,.. ! This could work, but then its up to people also. Dont be negative and its not that expensive.

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org

[Gav]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm........Yeah i think you`re away with the mixer mate,keep dreaming......Amiga one,pegasos and the classics are all fine to me and i dont see your point at all as its actually stupid.....