AmiBay or eBay?

[Iggy]

regular price id say.

Absolutely, it was my offer.
I didn't want to take advantage of the seller or be taken advantage of myself.
Felt like a fair transaction.
Battery has been removed.
Its got a 3640.

I may need to replace Buster.
But since the PCI backplane is going to cost me another <$400, eh, no big deal.
I've already got a Voodoo3 card and a 100mips NIC, and an SCSI wide 2 controller, I just need a sound card.

[magnetic]

Oh and I forgot to mention that I was Life Banned from EAB (First infraction never had one problem) for telling my story about amibay on a thread that was OT. This goes to show you the "power" these guys have. Good ole Chairman Mao would be proud! Banned from 2 sites for reselling an 1200 cpu that I upgraded to a better one.. wow what a bad guy. what a joke..

They should change the name from "Amibay" to "AMI HOARDERS" all the hoarders can sell their nice rare amiga parts to eachother to hoard, never use in a productive way, just hoard so they can say they have x, y, z amiga stuff. LAME

[ChaosLord]

Not only Can they check your PM they DO read them. Not only this, but they will internet stalk you if they can as well. I started getting back into classic stuff and bough a nice a1200 ntsc unit. I needed an accelerator so turned to amibay. I bought a matrix 030 w/32mb and liked it but I didnt know it only could have 32mb max. So like 2 weeks later I find a nice Apollo card and sell the Matrix I got on Amibay to a friend, who then sold it on ebay. The mods at amibay did an "investigation" which basically was reading PMs, internet stalking me, and amazing privacy invasion. When I spoke up about it very vocally to the mods they LIFE BANNED ME.  Thats right LIFE.  First offence no warning nothing. I think it was more because I called them out on privacy invasion and creating false accusations.

Could you please explain to us why they would want to read your PMs?
What was in the PMs that made them ban you?

The PM part of your story isn't making any sense to me.  I think you left out some details or something?

[commodorejohn]

For those wondering about magnetic's banning, there's a thread discussing it here (AmiBay doesn't really do formal ban-announcement threads on a regular basis, but someone asked.) Of note is zetr0's statement that magnetic has the right to appeal, but never did. magnetic, on the other hand, has stated that he did but that it was "pointless." I didn't care enough at the time to look into it further, but since it seems to keep coming up, I'll drop zetr0 a line and see if he wants to share any further information.

[magnetic]

magnetic has the right to appeal, but never did..

Thats a complete falsehood. Of course I did. They could care less. Life Ban with no possiblity of coming back for first offense (that wasnt even an offense) Boy, I'd have a lot more respect for them if they just said "we didnt like what he did, first offence or not, amigan forever or not, life ban who cares"

(well Fitzsteve who is a big Amibay guy did say that your banned get over it or some other insensitive statement.)

You see, they mentality of Amibay "officials" is that its their ball they make the rules and if you dont like it get your own ball. (You know like the jerk kid when you were little that had the ball - same thing)

The best part is being banned from EAB for telling the true story. This was after some hacker(s) took down Amibay site (probably for getting banned) and I said something like Karma is a bitch, then I got life banned from EAB. (Some of the mods are the same.) Ive been told by other amigans that EAB and Amibay is all UK guys AND THEY ARENT FOND OF AMERICANS.  My story is true And I will KEEP TELLING IT so real amiga people know the TRUTH. I am too old and been in the amiga world as a dealer,user, and supporter for too long to take abuse from a bunch of self important geeks. Unlike them, I have a real life in the real world, and dont need to make up stories or lies to justify my actions. Go online and read about amibay and all the banning i'm not alone here on this.

AND YES ITS A KNOWN FACT THEY READ PRIVATE MESSAGES AND TAKE LIBERTIES INVADING YOUR PRIVACY ONLINE.

Like I said earlier, the sit seems all lovey dovey amiga friends, UNTIL you do something "THEY" consider a violation then your new Amiga pals turn into the Spanish Inquisition.  I had a few succseful transactions before the A1200 acell (those parts I kept and didnt "scalp" or "resell" or whatever nonsene they claim) So i was a fan of Amibay until this happened. Kind of like a girl you date and are in love with for a month, until they show her true colors and turns out to be a pyscho.

[ChaosLord]

What did you say in a pm that directly got you banned?

What did you say in a pm that indrectly got you banned?

thanx

[Lurch]

Anyway Amibay/EAB different forum's, different websites. I've spoken to a couple of mods on both sites and they're great. Friendly, helpful and have plenty of good advice on Amiga hardware.

Plus all the good contacts on both sites for hardware is amazing. Some of the items I've purchased through Amibay I wouldn't have obtained elsewhere.

Some hardware projects too only seem to be on EAB or Amibay. I've stumbled across some good projects by reading forum posts on both.

I kind of miss Amiga.org not having as much amiga hardware news as it use to. I've been reading this forum before my join date of 2003 so have seen many changes.

I also use Ebay now and then for some items as I've become a regular with a couple of sellers on there, especially the UK/German ebay's.

airey36 is the man, fair prices unlike most Ebay auctions. Good shipping times and the item you purchase is always as stated.

Hardware shuttle is another great ebayer, good conversation about all things Amiga :-)

I'd wait until zetr0 (hopefully) replies in this forum,he's straight up and resonable person. I still amazed at the amount of Hardware knowledge that guy has. :-)

Man had to change this post around a bit, trying not to offend anyone :-)

[Cool_amigaN]

@magnetic

Most probably you traded the item. You bought it on low price (at Amibay) then the very same unit appeared and got sold in eBay at a much higher price. I am not aware regarding the exact details of your case, however, many *******s were life banned for this reason.

[eliyahu]

@magnetic, et al

guys, this thread has gotten out of hand. i understand feelings can run high when someone is banned from a site or someone is attacking a site you enjoy, but everyone needs to cool it. please remember the following items from our posting guidelines:
   Blatant personal attacks are not permitted.
Criticize  ideas, not people. Excessive flaming will not be tolerated. Users who  verbally assault the character or person of other posters on a regular  basis will be banned. Name calling is best left to grade school.  Moderator's judgment applies here. "You are wrong" is not a personal  attack; "You are an idiot" is. "You do not have all of the facts" is not  a personal attack; "you are obviously clueless" is. These are  generalized examples, but you get the idea.

Posts of a libellous nature are not allowed.
Everyone  has a right to their own opinion, whether you think it right or wrong.  Posting false information about an individual is not only bad form, but  could become a serious problem, both for the poster, and for Amiga.org  itself.
further discussion which violates either of these guidelines will result in posts being edited and/or infractions given. thank you for your understanding.

-- eliyahu

[TheMagicM]

I've had no issues with Amibay itself.  I just dont trust all Amiga buyers anymore.  Some are good, but there are scammers out there.  Especially if you have a perfectly working motherboard with picture proof it works, then buyer says "oh it doesnt work" and files a Paypal claim.   Good thing for me, I had $0 in Paypal and closed my acct.  :-)


EDIT:  On Amibay... I think the site is pretty good, rules are fine.  I'd go there before I hit ebay.

[commodorejohn]

You see, they mentality of Amibay "officials" is  that its their ball they make the rules and if you dont like it get your  own ball. (You know like the jerk kid when you were little that had the  ball - same thing)

That's how every web forum works. I mean, except for moobunny.  And if you want to try to conduct trade on moobunny, well,  Godspeed, sir.

Ive been told by other amigans that EAB and Amibay is all UK guys AND THEY ARENT FOND OF AMERICANS.

There's plenty of American members there, including Skydivingirl, who is  quite respected and a moderator. I'm American; I list my location right  there below my avatar. I have never once had anybody give me crap for  it, and I've dealt with plenty of UK members both conversationally and  in trade.

AND YES ITS A KNOWN FACT THEY READ PRIVATE MESSAGES AND TAKE LIBERTIES INVADING YOUR PRIVACY ONLINE.

If you're shocked that moderators on a forum would read your PMs on that  forum pursuant to a disciplinary action regarding that forum's rules, I  don't think you really get forums.

Anyway: I've heard from Zetr0, after asking if I could get the story to set the record straight here. Unsurprisingly, he can't discuss  the full details of someone else's account history with the general  public, but he does reiterate:

A. Magnetic claimed that he sold the item to a friend as a swap meet.
 
  B. This friend then placed the item on eBay using the same images from the AmiBay listing.
 
  C. He claims the friend he traded with knew nothing about AmiBay.
 
  D. This all had taken place within three days of Magnetic receiving the  item.

1. Magnetic was caught scalping a  fellow member
 2. We approached him with with our evidence*
 3. We (as a team) felt a ban was required
4. He declined the opportunity to appeal

AmiBay, doesn't have any time limit imposed on appeals, if Magnetic  wanted to he can appeal or apply for a new account if he wishes.
 
He was also informed of this at the time of our decision.

So it's basically his word against magnetic's. Based on observed behavior, I know where my vote is going.

[tokyoracer]

Butt and hurt spring to mind...

He was banned for a reason and that reason was basically leaching off the community and keeping the profits. He got found out and paid the price and rightfully so since I agree that is a pretty selfish act indeed. People may "HORDE" Amiga's but they don't "HORDE" money from them magnetic (name a retro computer forum which doesn't have people with large collections). AmiBay has rules and I may not agree with every one, they are there for a very good reason and that is to keep buyers and sellers safe from people like magnetic that like to take advantage (even if acting innocent). Credit where credit is due, it's doing a good job.

Anyway onto topic.
AmiBay is a good first port of call for anything retro computer related. eBay's fees these days ammount not far from 1/2 the item price so the choice is yours.

[matt3k]

I have an A2000 and an A1200 Blizzard '060 accelerator I want to sell. Obviously I want few hassles and a decent sell price on the units. eBay w/ PayPal's holding funds for a period of time is a big hassle.

Do things go pretty well on AmiBay? Or is it definitely a lesser $$ situation there?

Don't mean to sound $$ hungry, but I am trying to sell for $$, of course.

Thanks.



bp

Hi Blake,

Use both Amibay and Ebay.  Amibay has been great for me, no issues and have sold and bought domestically and internationally without any issues.  To me the Mods at Amibay have been perfect and patient with new users.  This is my experience...

If your looking to make decent money, i would list your hardware on Amibay and see if others value the equipment for the asking price.  In theory you can make more money on ebay but you can also make less.  Amibay is the safest route IMHO.

Good luck!

[touringsedan]

I have bought/sold around 4 things on Amibay and had no issues, actually the opposite.

eBay has been great as well, but I do feel eBay/Paypal taxes are too high, but you do get more peace of mind.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

AmiBay needs to work on their search algorithms.  I'm very new there (after the confusing registration process), but trying to do the following: Click on the Search dropdown.  Enter a keyword, such as "GVP".  Get presented with a screen that says "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."  When I know that keyword is used in a million different listings...

When I do the same on Ebay, I get 8 million pages of hair straighteners, but at least can sort it down from that.  But on the other hand, with Ebay you've also gotta search the .co.uk site, and the .de site, and the .au site, since there's almost never any Amiga products listed on the regular .com site.

Ah, ya just can't win with either one, might as well stick to craigslist!  ;-)  #grumpyoldman

[Iggy]

I have an A2000 and an A1200 Blizzard '060 accelerator I want to sell. Obviously I want few hassles and a decent sell price on the units. eBay w/ PayPal's holding funds for a period of time is a big hassle.

Do things go pretty well on AmiBay? Or is it definitely a lesser $$ situation there?

Don't mean to sound $$ hungry, but I am trying to sell for $$, of course.

Thanks.



bp

Why are you people always so Ebay/Paypal challenged?
First, you get more money.
Second, you're protected from rip offs.
And third, if you get a Paypal debit card (free), you've got instant access to your money.

Man, get with it people.
Elon Musk is re-inventing the 21st century and you guys are so stone age.