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Why no updates for OWB on AmigaOS 4.1
« on: January 06, 2013, 04:50:12 PM »
I'm sure I've read some 'history' about this, but I can't find the full story again, but why hasn't there been any updates after 1.9, while MorphOS is up to 1.18, Why nothing past 2010?
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Re: Why no updates for OWB on AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2013, 05:45:56 PM »
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I'm sure I've read some 'history' about this, but I can't find the full story again, but why hasn't there been any updates after 1.9, while MorphOS is up to 1.18, Why nothing past 2010?
dunno. maybe there are some MUI classes that need to be released? kas1e did build a binary of version 1.17 before focusing on DOPUS5, but it won't run on the released versions of AOS4. darn shame because the performance difference between versions 1.9 and 1.17 when running MOS on my peg2 are substantial so i would imagine the same holds for the AOS version. you could try PMing him over on amigans.net to see if he's interested in continuing....

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Re: Why no updates for OWB on AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2013, 08:45:45 PM »
Maybe Fab is just too busy. He is a MorphOS developer after all.
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Re: Why no updates for OWB on AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2013, 10:43:49 PM »
MUI & MOS Dev kinda says it all.
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Re: Why no updates for OWB on AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2013, 12:43:50 AM »
It's not just OWB. There are a lot of OS4 programs - both backported from MorphOS and ported from other platforms - that had some initial work done but have been stagnant ever since. I wish more OS4 developers understood that maintaining software is just as important as the initial release.
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Re: Why no updates for OWB on AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2013, 02:20:31 AM »
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MUI & MOS Dev kinda says it all.

The fact that every release has been open-source for a couple of years, and OS4 version is still so far behind, kinda says it all.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2013, 02:22:51 AM by Boot_WB »
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Re: Why no updates for OWB on AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2013, 05:49:20 PM »
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It's not just OWB. There are a lot of OS4 programs - both backported from MorphOS and ported from other platforms - that had some initial work done but have been stagnant ever since. I wish more OS4 developers understood that maintaining software is just as important as the initial release.

If we're talking MUI-OWB I think kas1e (who did the Os4 port) got pissed off and stopped development on it after the initial release.  Something to do with Hyperion iirc, but memory is sketchy, if I can find the thread I'll link to it.
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Re: Why no updates for OWB on AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2013, 06:00:29 PM »
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I'm sure I've read some 'history' about this, but I can't find the full story again, but why hasn't there been any updates after 1.9, while MorphOS is up to 1.18, Why nothing past 2010?


Just use "Timberwolf", the Firefox/Holy Grail of OS4!

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Re: Why no updates for OWB on AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2013, 06:01:01 PM »
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If we're talking MUI-OWB


There is no such thing.

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Re: Why no updates for OWB on AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2013, 06:04:36 PM »
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There is no such thing.

:evil:

http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=network/browser/muiowb.lha

There are two versions of OWB for OS4, Reaction based OWB (now discontinued) and the port of Odyssey (just before the rename), which it seems has also stopped development at the moment, if someone picks it up again it could resume, or if kas1e changes his mind.
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Re: Why no updates for OWB on AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2013, 06:05:07 PM »
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Just use "Timberwolf", the Firefox/Holy Grail of OS4!

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Far too slow to be usable in its present state.
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Re: Why no updates for OWB on AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2013, 06:05:41 PM »
I believe the biggest issue with the Amiga community today is how few developers there actually are.

The few that we do have, are often stretched very thin, and they can either chose to (a) port/write new software to Amiga or (b) maintain existing software.

Pick one.

I'm in the '(a)' camp, personally, which means I work on a project, get it running, and move on, in the hopes that someone in the '(b)' camp is interested enough in it to maintain it long term. (I do AROS work mostly, so it's all open-source stuff - easy for someone new to pick up and maintain).
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Re: Why no updates for OWB on AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2013, 06:45:30 PM »
so far i know odyssey port of aros differs from the one for os4, the mui classes were ported by deadwood independently. actually it might be better to maintain them all together, but well..

unfortunately odyssey uses cmake to build, which makes it alien to aros build system. id prefer to have it in contributions, available for 68k too, which seems impossible atm.

the currently available aros owb by szymczyk ported by jason (ezrec) is quite an achivement already though, its rather dependable under uae, even if it is slow even there. i think odyssey might be really faster as szymczyks was only basic port.
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Re: Why no updates for OWB on AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2013, 06:57:29 PM »
@danwood

Since 5 Sep 2011 the browser's name is "Odyssey", before that it simply was "OWB". Never has the official name of the browser been "MUI-OWB" AFAIK, that's just some OS4 community make-up name to separate Fab's browser from completely unrelated ones with similar names, but again - since 5 Sep 2011 there hasn't been any *need* for make-up names, since no web browser for AmigaOS has a similar name as Odyssey, so there is no reason not to use its *proper* name!

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Re: Why no updates for OWB on AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2013, 06:59:25 PM »
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I'm sure I've read some 'history' about this, but I can't find the full story again, but why hasn't there been any updates after 1.9, while MorphOS is up to 1.18, Why nothing past 2010?
A while ago, kas1e  cited lack of time and said that he wanted to open a bounty before he tackles an update.. He's been assigned the VPDF bounty in July, which should have been finished in December but looks like it was abandoned. kas1e is now waiting for amigabounty.net to open another MUIOWB bounty for him.

And guys, please don't mention MorphOS in this thread. It might draw tmhgm's attention.
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