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Re: Argh Ebay!!!!
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2004, 02:25:40 AM »
I agree with Red.  You really never know what is going to happen whether your selling or bidding.   I personally have had items with a bid of around $50 in the last fifteen minutes of the auction shoot up to $300 by auction's close.  I have also had items sell for a fraction of the EBay average for like items.  You also have to take into consideration the quality of the item.  A cherry A4000 will typically go higher than one that is damaged or status unknown.  I would like to think that price is heavily influenced by accurate pictures, proper description and seller's integrity....the jury is still out on this one though.  

One thing that really annoys me is sellers who list a used item and use a corporate image of the item in new condition.  There are these great pictures of this brand spanking new item and the description reads something like this "LQQK - Widget IV - The Ultimate in Widget Technology!  - Don't be fooled by imitations - This is the Real Deal! -  Upgrade your Widget to a sleek new Widget IV....etc."  Then a little lower you read "This auction is for an untested used Widget IV - As Is"  Then I see that item sell for retail price.  I would not miss these types of sellers at all.

When I am selling I want to get a good price but not at the expense of misleading someone.  When I am buying I want to get a good price but I am willing to pay a fair price if everything looks good such as pictures, description and seller's rating.

When bidding, remember that there is usually another one around the corner and never bid more than you are comfortable with.  If you are making a planned purchase , I would recommend  performing a completed auctions search for the item you intend to buy.  Find out the average price and use this amount as your initial price ceiling.  Then adjust this price depending on factors such as item's quality, seller's rating, S/H charges etc.  


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Re: Argh Ebay!!!!
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2004, 02:31:56 AM »
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MarkTime wrote:
Hey Cyberius,

btw (same to YOU)...was just reading your avatar...


Shhh! ;-)

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but back to the subject...I'm working on a project...just as a hobby in my spare time, where I am collecting data from online auctions using a bot, and going to perform some statistical analysis on them.

answer questions like, just how much does the length of the auction impact the price, using real math...and other questions, like the time of day the auction ends...the day it ends.

Or, for commodity items like gold, how does the spot price affect the price as the spot price is rising...or as it is decreasing.

I don't know why I'm exactly mentioning this on this thread...but if anyone has a question that needs answering like that...I would love having more questions to *try* and discover the answer too.

Then we can have actual math...real answers...to these common questions and speculations.

Dunno if I ever will finish...I finish about 20% of the projects I start...but still, sometimes I finish them...so theres a chance.


Well I'm trying to have a clear out of stuff at the moment, and was thinking that Sunday evenings would be a good time to have my items end, as I reckon there are lots of people around, relaxing in front of their puters at the end of the weekend, rather than a Friday night or whatever. Ebay can be quite strange, inasmuch as you'll have three similar items, and one will go for huge amounts (I saw a blizzard 1230 go for 130 quid on UK ebay, when they usually go for about thirty or so!!!) while the others will hardly go above start price.
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Re: Argh Ebay!!!!
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2004, 05:02:57 AM »
Greetings Guys,
I was just following the thread and as a "former" Amiga dealer turned into 99% PC dealer over the years like so many others, I thought I throw my 2 cents in.
I've been using E-Bay to start selling a bulk of my left over Amiga inventory. I've only been doing this for only about 3 weeks now. I basically boxed most of my Amiga inventory a while ago and stored it after the local Amiga business dried up and local user group disintegrated.  Now I'm going through it, scanning or photographing each item, and listing auctions as time permits.
From what I've experienced so far, I can see how frustrating it is for some who are bidding on popular or hard to find items and get beat out at the end of the auctions.
But looking at the market these days, I wasn't suprised to see so many dealers and developers  are gone and have moved on to other things. I guess that they needed to make a living.  :-)
Since this is the case, finding Amiga hardware and software that you want isn't easy for anybody. So the prices that some people will pay for something on E-Bay or wherever may seem crazy to you, but perfectly acceptable to them. I guess it's a matter of how bad you need it.
As a seller, E-Bay can be risky like any kind of auction..you win some, you lose some. Most people have been decent and honest. I've only had one bidder so far who won a item, didn't pay and seemed to fall off the face of the earth and hasn't reponded to any e-mails.

I've been out of the Amiga scene for quite a while now since the PC business takes up most of my time. My personal A4000/060 and my CD32 have been collecting dust for a while, but since I've started to sell Amiga software & hardware on E-Bay, I need to test some products before selling them.
I admit, it's been fun playing around with the old rig again.
 

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Re: Argh Ebay!!!!
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2004, 08:24:46 AM »
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I'm sick to death of watching an item on ebay, and often bidding, only for the seller to take a cash offer, cancel my bid, and end the auction early!!!!


Was it the auction for the CD32 SX-1 module (on eBay UK) that you are referring to? I had it in my watched items list, and I noticed it was withdrawn with all bids cancelled over the weekend. I was interested to see what price it went for... obviously the seller got an offer he couldn't refuse (doesn't make it right though!). I'd never dream of doing that with my items, I even include the text "Don't ask me to end auctions early!" in all my item descriptions. I used to get about half a dozen requests per auction, usually for the rare items.

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Re: Argh Ebay!!!!
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2004, 12:12:11 PM »
a friend of mine was after an Amiga 600 there the other week, he was on the highest bid for days and days at around £12.50, we checked 10 minutes before the auction ended and he was still winning, then it turns out last minute bidders lost him the A600 and a lot of his patience :-(
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Re: Argh Ebay!!!!
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2004, 01:12:18 PM »
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I'm sick to death of watching an item on ebay, and often bidding, only for the seller to take a cash offer, cancel my bid, and end the auction early!!!!


Was it the auction for the CD32 SX-1 module (on eBay UK) that you are referring to? I had it in my watched items list, and I noticed it was withdrawn with all bids cancelled over the weekend. I was interested to see what price it went for... obviously the seller got an offer he couldn't refuse (doesn't make it right though!). I'd never dream of doing that with my items, I even include the text "Don't ask me to end auctions early!" in all my item descriptions. I used to get about half a dozen requests per auction, usually for the rare items.

Steve.


Yes it was the SX-1 !!!

But its not the first time this has happened....
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Re: Argh Ebay!!!!
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2004, 01:24:54 PM »
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a friend of mine was after an Amiga 600 there the other week, he was on the highest bid for days and days at around £12.50, we checked 10 minutes before the auction ended and he was still winning, then it turns out last minute bidders lost him the A600 and a lot of his patience :-(


This happened to me when I was new to eBay, thought I was getting a near-mint A600 for about £12, then I checked back and I'd lost. As a believer in goodwill it was disappointing to say the least. Webservers just don't make the best auctioneers. In the real world, what kind of  auctioneer would tell everyone he was going to close bidding in exactly x minutes?
 

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Re: Argh Ebay!!!!
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2004, 01:28:41 PM »
Guess what? I just checked my email....and one of my bids has been cancelled on another item. Supposedly there was an 'error in the listing'. Can't have been too bad an error, the item had received about 14 bids or so and had gone from its start price of 1GBP to about 30GBP and still had  a day to run.....sigh.

So does this mean I should start asking sellers to end their auctions early by making cash offers otherwise I will always miss out? Completely destroying the idea of ebay?  :-(  :-(  :-(
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Re: Argh Ebay!!!!
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2004, 01:32:51 PM »
report report report! I just got semi hosed on 2 X-Surfs that just closed, but oh well! That's the nature of auctions! If some scum-bag sellers can't deal with it, report their a$$! :-x
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Re: Argh Ebay!!!!
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2004, 01:45:08 PM »
Ok, let me throw something in here. I have sold a few things on eBay. I want my stuff to go quick so I put a fairly low "Buy it now" price. A price that I know it could easily go higher, but I could use the
money now, not in 9 days. I'll set the reserve about half that just in case.

Never fails, somebody will bid multiple times to find the reserve and kill the buy-it-now.

Within a matter of hours, someone else will email me
offering me well over my original buy-it-now price
including shipping.

My reply? When I see the money sitting in PayPal
its yours. I get more than I wanted right now, the
buyer gets what he wanted, and the guy that just had
try to lowball an already low by-it-now to get
something for nothing walks away with nothing for nothing.

Look, I have done this where the whole thing took
place within 1 day. If we were 1 or 2 days from the
end and it was real competition online I wouldnt
do this. But just imagine that everyone could have
taken the buy-it-now if they had seen it in time,
and some jerkoff always has to lowball it to
kill their chance. I have no sympathy on them.
 

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Re: Argh Ebay!!!!
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2004, 01:58:02 PM »
@huronking

eBay has a fixed price feature you should use, it sounds like what you are looking for and not an online auction. The very nature of auctions is for buyers to have the opportunity to get items lower than they could find elsewhere. What you are doing only pisses off honest buyers and makes them shy away from auctions altogether. It is also a direct violation of eBay's TOS.
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Re: Argh Ebay!!!!
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2004, 02:09:08 PM »
Sometimes E-bay is nice, ImageFX 4.5 for 60 bucks sure beats 250....
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Re: Argh Ebay!!!!
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2004, 02:16:06 PM »
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Re: Argh Ebay!!!!
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2004, 02:32:49 PM »
This is not something I do regularly
or as a rule. In fact, I dont even buy things this
way. It is just something I have done twice in the
past, mostly because I was annoyed. The buyers
certainly would have bought for the BIN price
if it hadnt been killed before they saw it.

If it takes 4 days to hit the reserve, so be
it- I have no problem with that. But watching the same guy hammer away at 8 or 9 tries with 6 days left just to kill the buy-it-now? Maybe you are right that I should set the reserve at the buy price, but
I just dont like that. As I said, if its fair bidding
over the course of a week, and somebody gets it
cheaper that's fine. But hammering for the reserve an hour in pisses ME off, and causes the whole
problem.

Besides, ANYONE can write the seller and make
an offer- its not exclusive or unfair.

And eBay's TOS? Well, just ask me about their
"Buyer Protection 1000 Mile Warranty" for
late model cars. I didnt make it 600 miles and
all I got was lies, nasty attitudes, no call backs,
and a big runaround with my car sitting at a
dealer for 4 months.

They never fixed anything. I gave up and tore the
motor down and fixed it myself.

That's what I think of eBay's policies. And
buyers? eBay's 3rd quarter net was $530,000,000  so it surely does not look like too many people are
being driven away.
 

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Re: Argh Ebay!!!!
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2004, 03:13:21 PM »
@ Red

How do you go about filing complaints with ebay? It seems as if getting in touch with them is made as difficult as possible....
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Re: Argh Ebay!!!!
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