For sale : Subway clockport USB

[Cosmos Amiga]

Blizzard IV 68030@50

[paul1981]

If I wanted to watch movies in C64 for example I cannot and will never be able to...

You can watch Dallas!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXLv7UosQXs

[AmigaClassicRule]

You can watch Dallas!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXLv7UosQXs

Speechless...

[Blinx123]

Chameleon is only one major hardware upgrade and as I am aware of it, it is simply another means of replacing the original disk drive, making transfer of games easier to it and being a stand alone commodore 64.
 
However, major and many different hardware upgrades such as increase of RAM, provide upgrade to the sound and graphics and other upgrades are not as versatile as the Amiga is. Maybe there is no need for it in C64 as there will be no software ever developed for it...

No offense, but ignorance much?
Amiga users dream of the kind of support the C64 still receives.
There are like 5-10 new games released for it every year and tons of great software.

but then again it lacks in many hardware upgrade as Amiga does. With classic Amiga if I wish to enjoy using it for more than what Commodore Inc Intended for...I have this option and there is benefit in return because I can enjoy the media of it more than say C64.

The C64 got the SuperCPU, the Chameleon and many more upgrades.

If I wanted to watch movies in C64 for example I cannot and will never be able to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QATUjaFYbJ4

It can do video plenty fine.
Audio is were the troubles lie.

 

Perhaps USB on classic Amiga is slow, but maybe I can get something out of it on a 68060 at least.

It's still performance wasted on luxury.
I dare say you can't play games like Quake or Duke 3D from USB, since the USB protocols produce too much overhead.

[J-Golden]

You can watch Dallas!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXLv7UosQXs

Absolutely AMAZING!

I had an Apple IIe growing up.  I bet there are some super cool demos for that!

Lemme see here...  Youtube search...  Checking Results...  YES!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfTJD8tvxi4

[platon42]

@AmigaClassicRule

As long as you understand that USB wastes (notice I said "wastes" not "uses") horrendously huge amounts of cpu power to transfer data.  It will completely drag down your cpu.

USB even drains your CPU power while the device is doing nothing.

Merely having any USB device connected is enough to start continuously draining your cpu power.

This is only the case with the Highway/Subway controller chips -- and only for keyboards/mice or other devices that need interrupt transfers. With the Algor and Deneb cards, there's no such drawback -- the more sophisticated controller chips take care of the protocol overhead with no host side interaction.

[platon42]

It's still performance wasted on luxury.
I dare say you can't play games like Quake or Duke 3D from USB, since the USB protocols produce too much overhead.

You can repeat that as much as you like, but it doesn't turn make it any more real. Transferring via Mass Storage Device uses an "overhead" of a 31 byte command packet and a 13 byte status packet PER COMMAND. I.e. if you read 4 MB of data, you have to handle two extra packets out of 8192 bulk data packets. In my calculation that's a protocol overhead of 0,024%.

My Deneb did 8.5 MB/sec reading from MSD devices. That's almost as fast as the internal A4000T SCSI controller. You know what? Most of the time is spent on the data transfer and not on the protocol overhead. Raw bus speed.

Using a Deneb with an USB Ethernet dongle will get you the fastest Ethernet solution available for the Amiga (somebody posted a result of 1.8 MB/sec recently with Roadshow). You will get the cheapest sound card solution with USB Audio.

Oh whatever...

[AmigaClassicRule]

No offense, but ignorance much?
Amiga users dream of the kind of support the C64 still receives.
There are like 5-10 new games released for it every year and tons of great software.
 
 
 
The C64 got the SuperCPU, the Chameleon and many more upgrades.
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QATUjaFYbJ4
 
It can do video plenty fine.
Audio is were the troubles lie.
 
 
 
 
It's still performance wasted on luxury.
I dare say you can't play games like Quake or Duke 3D from USB, since the USB protocols produce too much overhead.

Hey do not get me wrong I LOVE COMMODORE 64 to the tea...but you are right I am ignorant on that matter. You couldn't by any chance direct me to the website where new games (5-10) come out to it, could you? I wouldn't mind downloading new stuff for the C64.

Heck if it comes to a lot of new games I wouldn't mind buying the original hardware's again!!

[Blinx123]

Hey do not get me wrong I LOVE COMMODORE 64 to the tea...but you are right I am ignorant on that matter. You couldn't by any chance direct me to the website where new games (5-10) come out to it, could you? I wouldn't mind downloading new stuff for the C64.

Heck if it comes to a lot of new games I wouldn't mind buying the original hardware's again!!

Well. Most of the new games can't be downloaded for free. They're available for a price. Either as downloads or fully packaged product.

There's a whole host of publishing companies.

Your best bet is to follow this thread.

http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=6&sid=933d1f7253778345f866fd8c35bcba04

Names that will commonly appear are RGCD, Protovision,  Psytronik Software, and Flimsoft (although that last one I don't really like, as he's made a huge fuzz about his whole business and created infightings that lasted for a total of two weeks and almost got some of us banned).

[AmigaClassicRule]

Well. Most of the new games can't be downloaded for free. They're available for a price. Either as downloads or fully packaged product.
 
There's a whole host of publishing companies.
 
Your best bet is to follow this thread.
 
http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=6&sid=933d1f7253778345f866fd8c35bcba04
 
Names that will commonly appear are RGCD, Protovision, Psytronik Software, and Flimsoft (although that last one I don't really like, as he's made a huge fuzz about his whole business and created infightings that lasted for a total of two weeks and almost got some of us banned).

Question! What about Amiga classic? Are there a community out there making 5 to 10 games a year commercial for Amiga classic?

[Blinx123]

Question! What about Amiga classic? Are there a community out there making 5 to 10 games a year commercial for Amiga classic?

I don't think so.
There used to be, but not anymore.

It's also a lot more work to develop 5-10 Amiga games a year.
C64 games are rather easy to make, once you've figured out ASM. Graphics only take a few hours rather than days. For me, the hardest part was always the audio.

Of course, the Amiga is a lot easier to code for, since there are tools like AMOS, Gamesmith (C/ASM), Amiblitz, AmigaE, TADS, Storm-C and the likes, whearas C64 developers are basically restricted to ASM and BASIC* (there are some nice and easy tools like SEUCK or Game Creator, but none can be really used for a commercial quality title. Although a bunch of people tried just that in the past and ended up selling not quite a lot of copies).

*There are also a bunch of C compilers like CC65 or Power C, but I wouldn't advise their use. 64kb isn't quite a lot of memory.

[ChaosLord]

This is only the case with the Highway/Subway controller chips -- and only for keyboards/mice or other devices that need interrupt transfers. With the Algor and Deneb cards, there's no such drawback -- the more sophisticated controller chips take care of the protocol overhead with no host side interaction.

Woah!  I never knew that!  Thanx for telling me that Chris!

I guess all the negative reports I heard were with Subway and maybe Highway too.

I will be sure in the future to not criticize Algor or Deneb.

So I can buy a Deneb or Algor card and use USB without any drawbacks?!??

I don't know anything about them.  Can I get one for my A1200T or A3000D?

While we are discussing USB, did WHDLoad ever fix the problem where no WHDLoad games would work while your USB stack was running?

What is the status of that problem?  I need to know so I can inform ppl correctly.

p.s. Thanx for coding such awesome USB stacks!
and quadruple thanx for tlsfmem!

[AmigaClassicRule]

Woah! I never knew that! Thanx for telling me that Chris!
 
I guess all the negative reports I heard were with Subway and maybe Highway too.
 
I will be sure in the future to not criticize Algor or Deneb.
 
So I can buy a Deneb or Algor card and use USB without any drawbacks?!??
 
I don't know anything about them. Can I get one for my A1200T or A3000D?
 
While we are discussing USB, did WHDLoad ever fix the problem where no WHDLoad games would work while your USB stack was running?
 
What is the status of that problem? I need to know so I can inform ppl correctly.
 
p.s. Thanx for coding such awesome USB stacks!
and quadruple thanx for tlsfmem!

Do not worry ChaosLord, with the newest version of WHDLoad you can now easily play WHDLOAD game and still use your USB. WHDLoad games will now WORK with USB stack running.

[danbeaver]

Anyone selling a Subway USB?

[Darrin]

Do not worry ChaosLord, with the newest version of WHDLoad you can now easily play WHDLOAD game and still use your USB. WHDLoad games will now WORK with USB stack running.

That's good to know.  I always used to disable it on my A4000 first.  Is this due to WHDLoad being updated and if so, which version?

[ChaosLord]

Anyone selling a Subway USB?

Get an Algor or a Deneb.  They don't bog down your cpu and are fast and system friendly.