Most powerful PPC that can be put in an A1200?

[NovaCoder]

again, you are missing the point. for a plain a1200, what other option do you have to get RTG graphics and access to OS4?

PPC is pretty pointless in a 1200, RTG is nice to have of course but you can still get a pretty decent WB display happening with just an Indivision AGA and for games and most of the legacy applications AGA (68k) is all you need.

[Karlos]

PPC is pretty pointless in a 1200, RTG is nice to have of course but you can still get a pretty decent WB display happening with just an Indivision AGA and for games and most of the legacy applications AGA (68k) is all you need.

Actually, I'd say the BVision board was probably one of the most significant updates my A1200 ever had. You might have your IndivisionAGA today, but remember that back when the BVision was released, most of the scandoublers/flickerfixers for A1200 were less than stellar.

Going from an auto-scrolling 16 colour 1280x1024 PAL interlace (helped out by MagicTV) display to a rock solid 16-bit colour 1280x1024 80Hz display that was basically faster in every way, was quite the eye opener (if you pardon the pun).

I guess if you don't run much productivity software, you can live without it, but seriously, RTG added another few years of sole machine usability to my system and that's no joke.

[ChaosLord]

... RTG is nice to have of course but you can still get a pretty decent WB display happening with just an Indivision AGA and for games and most of the legacy applications AGA (68k) is all you need.

True.

I have RTG in my A1200/060.  I don't have PPC but I have Mediator PCI slots + a 32-bit gfx card.  99% of the time my RTG is disabled and I just run my AGA with my flickerfixer (I have the super awesome 24-bit flickerfixer from the 1990s way before Indivision).

RTG is indespensable for Web browsing, DTP, etc.  But for oldskool gaming it causes incompatibilities.

[amiga-penn-wchester]

Bah humbug!

I cruised the internet burning up the IRC chats and the www on my 50Mhz 060 Amiga until sometime in 2003.  My Amiga was only about half the speed of my Brother's 650Mhz Athlon Unreal Tournament Gaming Rig at rendering webpages and about 1/4 speed at rendering large .jpg images.  It was hilarious.

Heh, Yeah I seem to recall that around 2001/02 or so, I thought that my 060/50+PPC/240 was about as fast as a ~400mhz celeron/athlon/win98.  That's how it felt at least.  When it became cumbersome to work with after XP came out, that's when I sold the card,backplane, and 1200 mobo.

There's nothing wrong with AmigaOS, is and always was lean and mean - it's just that today, with the prices that some of those PPC cards are fetching, I mean, if you stick to 060 sans PPC, you aren't really missing anything.  I don't really regret buying one when they came out, but other than playing mp3s or an earlyish version of MAME, or imagedecoders, there wasn't much to make use of...

[amiga-penn-wchester]

True.

I have RTG in my A1200/060.  I don't have PPC but I have Mediator PCI slots + a 32-bit gfx card.  99% of the time my RTG is disabled and I just run my AGA with my flickerfixer (I have the super awesome 24-bit flickerfixer from the 1990s way before Indivision).

RTG is indespensable for Web browsing, DTP, etc.  But for oldskool gaming it causes incompatibilities.

WRT RTG: Without PicIV in at least my system, I couldn't make comparisons to 400+mhz PC type machines.  It is indispensible, but, that said - without AGA on my second monitor at the time, I would have sold my equipment earlier,.  The fact that you had both options, was what kept me on AmigaOS for so long.  With _only_ RTG, I'm not sure there's enough to keep me.  I'm sure there are many who will disagree with me on that.

[Bamiga2002]

same here.. this opens up some new possibilities

Yeah...and the danger of making a BIG hole in your wallet too

Seriously, I dont' trust the CSPPC cards. They are deemed fragile, BPPC is slower but more robust.

[rvo_nl]

..well, at least Karlos understands the importance of adding RTG to an a1200 system. I guess if you just want to play games the ppc+bvision is overkill. And yes, OS4 is personal preference.

@Bamiga2002, I dont think Im going to get a csppc, I already have a bppc thankfully But you never know.

[Bamiga2002]

This thread reminded me of a classic PPC thread by keropi on EAB

[pVC]

..well, at least Karlos understands the importance of adding RTG to an a1200 system. I guess if you just want to play games the ppc+bvision is overkill. And yes, OS4 is personal preference.

RTG was absolutely the biggest and the most significant upgrade to classic Amiga's usability when you're using it as main computer or mostly for the apps instead of games. I went the CV64/3D route with my A1200 (and later Mediator) and it was definitely bigger improvement than any CPU expansion etc (I went up to 060, not that it wouldn't been a big leap, but still nothing to compare what RTG gave).

But nowadays my RTG usage has moved to next generation Amigas, which are way faster than any expanded classic Amiga.. so.. today I think 060 is more important for classics than RTG

[AmigaClassicRule]

RTG was absolutely the biggest and the most significant upgrade to classic Amiga's usability when you're using it as main computer or mostly for the apps instead of games. I went the CV64/3D route with my A1200 (and later Mediator) and it was definitely bigger improvement than any CPU expansion etc (I went up to 060, not that it wouldn't been a big leap, but still nothing to compare what RTG gave).

But nowadays my RTG usage has moved to next generation Amigas, which are way faster than any expanded classic Amiga.. so.. today I think 060 is more important for classics than RTG

I disagree with everyone about dishing rtg for Amiga classic. It is lack of software developers who take full advantage of it to develop modern games, mmorpg games, applications, heck even full blown 3D games and apps for classic Amiga. It is not the concept of having rtg is bad, the lack of developers to exploit it is.

[Blinx123]

I disagree with everyone about dishing rtg for Amiga classic. It is lack of software developers who take full advantage of it to develop modern games, mmorpg games, applications, heck even full blown 3D games and apps for classic Amiga. It is not the concept of having rtg is bad, the lack of developers to exploit it is.

I'd humbly agree.

There really is no way of shortselling the benefit of having a discrete GPU.
However, I'm pretty sure 3D (or 3D MMORPG games even) would not run well on a classic Amiga with RTG only. It would definitely need an accompanying PPC, since the 68k CPUs are too much of a bottleneck for full 3D. Heck, even a PPC G3/G4 is still a tremendous bottleneck for any 3DFX Voodoo 3/4/5.

[AmigaClassicRule]

I'd humbly agree.
 
There really is no way of shortselling the benefit of having a discrete GPU.
However, I'm pretty sure 3D (or 3D MMORPG games even) would not run well on a classic Amiga with RTG only. It would definitely need an accompanying PPC, since the 68k CPUs are too much of a bottleneck for full 3D. Heck, even a PPC G3/G4 is still a tremendous bottleneck for any 3DFX Voodoo 3/4/5.

But then the true question to ask.....is it worth it? I mean even the current PPC for classic Amiga are weak: 233 Mhz or even 260 Mhz would do nothing. Requesting to manufacture new PPC card for classic Amiga with 700 Mhz comes to other complications:

• Is it feasible?
• Can the motherboard of classic Amiga handle such speed boost and would it run at such close speed with RTG?
• Manufacturing cost?
• Benefit of financial return from developing such product?
• Cost of selling it and the amount of people willing to buy it?
• Amount of software available to take advantage of it and compatibility issue?
• It comes to the final question: Is it worth it?
  

So we end up again back to the same bottleneck of No, No, NO! But then you look at the casing of Amiga 4000D and Amiga 4000T and you use the classic Amiga and you start wishing: Oh I wish I can watch blue ray movies or HD movies on it. Oh I wish there was LOTS OF cool MMORPG games on it. Oh I WISH THERE ARE LOTS OF COOL new App and games on it...oooh I wish...and it is a NEVER ending cycle.
 
I am surprised you guys don't drink too much!

[Blinx123]

But then the true question to ask.....is it worth it? I mean even the current PPC for classic Amiga are weak: 233 Mhz or even 260 Mhz would do nothing. Requesting to manufacture new PPC card for classic Amiga with 700 Mhz comes to other complications:

• Is it feasible?
• Can the motherboard of classic Amiga handle such speed boost and would it run at such close speed with RTG?
• Manufacturing cost?
• Benefit of financial return from developing such product?
• Cost of selling it and the amount of people willing to buy it?
• Amount of software available to take advantage of it and compatibility issue?
• It comes to the final question: Is it worth it?
  

So we end up again back to the same bottle knock of No, No, NO! But then you look at the casing of Amiga 4000D and Amiga 4000T and you use the classic Amiga and you start wishing: Oh I wish I can watch blue ray movies or HD movies on it. Oh I wish there was LOTS OF cool MMORPG games on it. Oh I WISH THERE ARE LOTS OF COOL new App and games on it...oooh I wish...and it is a NEVER ending cycle.
 
I am surprised you guys don't drink too much!

No need to. Once one has realized that good games don't need high-end 3D graphics, the world looks brighter once again

BTW: I'm pretty positive that render adventures are quite feasible on a classic 68k Amiga with RTG.

[AmigaClassicRule]

No need to. Once one has realized that good games don't need high-end 3D graphics, the world looks brighter once again
 
BTW: I'm pretty positive that render adventures are quite feasible on a classic 68k Amiga with RTG.

But I really want a single MMORPG game for classic Amiga...just one!

[Blinx123]

But I really want a single MMORPG game for classic Amiga...just one!

Not too sound overly pessimistic, but an MMORPG (as in Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game) would be an utter joke on any non-mainstream platform. In the case of an Amiga MMO, it would probably be less than a hundred people playing at the same time.

Perhaps something like The Realm running on some sort of old and outdated low-end server would be feasible, but that's that.

[AmigaClassicRule]

Not too sound overly pessimistic, but an MMORPG (as in Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game) would be an utter joke on any non-mainstream platform. In the case of an Amiga MMO, it would probably be less than a hundred people playing at the same time.
 
Perhaps something like The Realm running on some sort of old and outdated low-end server would be feasible, but that's that.

Will, the MMORPG I am thinking of and I may be dreaming here but it is used in mainstream platform such as Windows, Mac and heck even Linux but also for OS 4 and OS 3.x with RTG card. It does not need TO BE HEAVY 3D rendering MMORPG, in fact a good looking 2D MMORPG would suffice. Perhaps if it WAS feasible and people can see MMORPG is possible on an classic RTG Amiga (giving RTG Amiga another new life into it) then perhaps more MMORPG would come up. Hence, JUST FOR THAT ALONE perhaps, getting an A4000 to upgrade it to RTG would make RTG at least worth that, than to say it is not worth it.