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Offline spirantho

Re: New project for the benefit of all classic computing!
« Reply #119 from previous page: November 15, 2012, 09:43:46 AM »
I just want to stick my oar in here.

This thread has some great ideas, but for goodness sake - keep it simple. Don't start off doing an accelerator and then add so many things it never gets finished. Asking on an Amiga forum is always risky when you want ideas, because you'll see what happened with NatAmi (and look what happened there) - Feature Creep City.

Set your sights on a simple thing to start. Do that - gain experience, not just of the hardware, but of the market. Then work on something else. Don't start work on an 060 card and get carried away designing USB, SATA, SCSI, Firewire and everything else.

Let's get the most simple thing done first - just make a simple board. Proof of concept. Then worry about making things more complicated. It worries me that the thread started talking about just manufacturing open source designs of other people, and now people are talking about designing super-fast CPU accelerators with modern RAM and USB and stuff.

Let's not try and run before we can walk, otherwise we'll all fall over.
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Re: New project for the benefit of all classic computing!
« Reply #120 on: November 15, 2012, 09:48:56 AM »
Re the Thylacine card redesign....
Now you've made the card much shorter, how will it attach to the back of the Amiga ?  That is after all why the card was this shape in the first place.... (An honest question, I'm not trying to do you down - I think it's great you're doing this)
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Re: New project for the benefit of all classic computing!
« Reply #121 on: November 15, 2012, 10:29:13 AM »
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because you'll see what happened with NatAmi (and look what happened there) - Feature Creep City.


I think the Natami have some ennemies...

I have ennemies me too, and Amigamen : crazy guys are everywhere...

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Re: New project for the benefit of all classic computing!
« Reply #122 on: November 15, 2012, 12:28:02 PM »
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Or better yet, do like the RaspberryPi and use a lan9512 USB hub chip that has built in Ethernet!! :)


That would indeed be better :)
 

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Re: New project for the benefit of all classic computing!
« Reply #123 on: November 15, 2012, 01:44:36 PM »
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how will it attach to the back of the Amiga ?


For smaller cards you can always put the USB connectors on a slot cover via cable connector.  Some thing like...

http://www.shaxon.com/part_images/9/USBAA1-XKIT.jpg
 

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Re: New project for the benefit of all classic computing!
« Reply #124 on: November 15, 2012, 05:07:22 PM »
@ The Rogue
I was wondering if you have bio posted somewhere?
Thanks.
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Re: New project for the benefit of all classic computing!
« Reply #125 on: November 15, 2012, 06:20:25 PM »
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For smaller cards you can always put the USB connectors on a slot cover via cable connector.  Some thing like...

http://www.shaxon.com/part_images/9/USBAA1-XKIT.jpg

Agreed.  There are so many add-ons for the Amiga and the such that having something like this would make it more flexible and easier to fit in with other hardware.

I can see this working MUCH better with something like the Mediator which rises higher in my A4000T.  If I wanted to use a card like this, I'd have to buy a riser and would most likely have a port or to covered because of the offset.


Getting back to the 060 Accel. idea of the Original poster, I totally agree that a CPU and memory solution only would be quicker, easier and therefore more likely to become reality.  As other have mentioned, there are other solutions out there for what people are proposing as additions so keeping it simple would not only make it more likely to work, but be cheaper...
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Re: New project for the benefit of all classic computing!
« Reply #126 on: November 17, 2012, 12:26:08 AM »
Hi guys, sorry I didn't pop by for a short time,  I am working on projects for other systems as well so I figured my time would be better spent working on things then following the threads for a short time. Anyway, in regards to what some people are saying about starting out slow and small, I am absolutely going to do this. An accelerator project is a long term goal, something to work towards, not something that will be popped out ASAP. I have a lot to learn before staring on a project that complicated.

The Thylacine will absolutely be supplied with a backplate. It's much cheaper for me to make it way shorter and supply a backplate then to waste so much PCB stock to make it reach the back of the case. I am going to try and build a hub onto the card, and I will absolutely look into the chip that contains a built-in ethernet controller. This way it's two things in one, not to mention when I do the A500 version it will be the first standalone USB/Ethernet solution for the A500. ;) Once that is done, I am going to try and build my first original Amiga-specific device. Let's for now put aside the accelerator and decide what the first piece of original hardware I design should be. So everybody complete this sentence: The piece of Amiga hardware I want the most, besides an accelerator is ________.

@trekiej: To answer your question, I don't have a bio posted anywhere, but if you want I'll tell you a little about myself. My name is Conrad and I live in Vancouver, BC, Canada. When I was 2 years old my father started teaching me the basics of computers on our 386, and by 3 I was operating the computer independently and slowly learning how to program. When I turned 5 my father gave me his Commodore 64 so I could have a computer of my own, and I was hooked on classic computers from then on. I decided soon after that some day I would start a computer museum, and I started collecting computers from anywhere I could get them. My parents were very supportive of this and drove me hours away to pick up free machines and paid lots of money when people were selling what I wanted. Through my whole childhood and teenage years to the present I amassed a huge collection of classic machines of every flavour, with my collection currently numbering about 300-400 unique models, if you're counting duplicates I don't even want to venture a guess. Anyway, somewhere along the line I decided that I would try to collect the best of every line of classic computers and to expand them as far as they could go. As a teenager I had a bit of a rough patch in my life, but with the help of my family I was ok and stronger for the experience. After secondary school I did an education consisting of electronics, computer hardware, networking, security, and system design. One thing that I have always found frustrating is that there always seems to be hardware that everyone wants and no one wants to produce. Finally after losing my job due to a dip in the economy, I decided to make classic computers my job. I figured that this venture may allow me to start a computer museum down the road, and if not, well at least I will have had a load of fun along the way! That about brings it up to now. I can go into more detail if you want later, but for now there is a nice abridged bio!
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Re: New project for the benefit of all classic computing!
« Reply #127 on: November 17, 2012, 12:43:18 AM »
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The piece of Amiga hardware I want the most, besides an accelerator is ________.


Lack of network connectivity options is the main reason my miggys don't get used lately. USB+Ethernet would be tops and wireless ethernet even better.

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Re: New project for the benefit of all classic computing!
« Reply #128 on: November 17, 2012, 03:02:37 AM »
Hi, I want to design a couple boards for the amiga, any hardware doc resources out there?
I am thinking a ram and sata card, I could add blutooth as well, I have designed boards with blutooth on other projects.

Its the interfacing curcuits with the existing amiga I really need.
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Re: New project for the benefit of all classic computing!
« Reply #129 on: November 17, 2012, 03:17:00 AM »
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Hi, I want to design a couple boards for the amiga, any hardware doc resources out there?
I am thinking a ram and sata card, I could add blutooth as well, I have designed boards with blutooth on other projects.

Its the interfacing curcuits with the existing amiga I really need.
Thanks

Considering how small Bluetooth modules are, couldn't you just design the adapter?
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Re: New project for the benefit of all classic computing!
« Reply #130 on: November 17, 2012, 03:43:47 AM »
Sorry for not jumping the wagon. But as Amiga history showed us, promises made but no actual delivery.

As soon as the products are shown in amigakit, then I will be all giddy.
 

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Re: New project for the benefit of all classic computing!
« Reply #131 on: November 17, 2012, 04:26:43 AM »
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Sorry for not jumping the wagon. But as Amiga history showed us, promises made but no actual delivery.

As soon as the products are shown in amigakit, then I will be all giddy.

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Re: New project for the benefit of all classic computing!
« Reply #132 on: November 17, 2012, 08:47:51 AM »
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Sorry for not jumping the wagon. But as Amiga history showed us, promises made but no actual delivery.

As soon as the products are shown in amigakit, then I will be all giddy.

Like I have said to others, your skepticism is 100% understandable. I hope you won't take offence when I say I look forward to proving you wrong. Although, I will probably be offering products through my own online store and not Amigakit;). No, just kidding, of course I will offer products to resellers!

Seriously though, as I have said to many others many times, don't expect miracles and a giant fountain of Amiga products to explode out of my house and rain products down on the masses. I will be starting small and working my way up. I am thinking my first original product should be an 802.11g card in various flavours for different Amigas. How does that sound to everyone? A nice simple start but a very useful product.

EDIT: I think this module might be a good place to start. It seems to be very simple to interface to and provides exactly what people are looking for, a wireless networking solution for the Amiga. I'm going to start looking into it immediately. http://shop.wiznettechnology.com/Sub_Modules/en/product/detail_page.asp?cateid=52&pid=1020

EDIT2: Whoops made a mistake thought that one had interfaces that it doesn't. Oh well, time to keep looking
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Re: New project for the benefit of all classic computing!
« Reply #133 on: November 17, 2012, 02:38:24 PM »
I think the ultimate Amiga expansion card would be a be something like this plugged into a Zorro slot http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/OpenEP3C16-B-EP3C16-ALTERA-Cyclone-III-FPGA-Development-Board-17-Modules-Kits-/261030259214?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc69daa0e

Also how about making A500 Zorro adaptors with pass-through
 

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Re: New project for the benefit of all classic computing!
« Reply #134 on: November 17, 2012, 02:55:00 PM »
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Amiga history.
Like I have said to others, your skepticism is 100% understandable. I hope you won't take offence when I say I look forward to proving you wrong. Although, I will probably be offering products through my own online store and not Amigakit;). No, just kidding, of course I will offer products to resellers!

I want you to prove me wrong. Please, make a fool out of me! What we reallly seriously need right now as a mass production for the Amiga are the following:
 
1) An WiFi card for the Amiga 1200/4000 that does support WPA/WPA 2 security and works 100% without any hacking and difficulties.
 
2) An expansion card that support if possible 100 Mhz+ with more than 512 MB of RAM.
 
What would be nice is give A500 in original case ability to access internet, but that is for fun.