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Re: Amiwest News
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2012, 09:37:48 PM »
Any news for the AOS4.x netbook? I hope the answer is yes as i would love to try AOS4 on the cheap.
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Re: Amiwest News
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2012, 09:43:55 PM »
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Any news for the AOS4.x netbook? I hope the answer is yes as i would love to try AOS4 on the cheap.


There's a summary of ssolie's "State of OS4" talk here:
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/228597.shtml


About that netbook:
- When will you release the portable? "I don't have any additional information of releasing the portable. It's coming along, but I have no more to say than that, haha"
 

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Re: Amiwest News
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2012, 10:01:03 PM »
Thanks Jorkany. But to be honest i would prefer an offical statement from Hyperion instead of moobunny.

PS why does he constantly say "haha"? It's creepy.
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Re: Amiwest News
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2012, 11:17:06 PM »
So in summary, the news is that there is no news about the netbook.....

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Re: Amiwest News
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2012, 02:55:19 PM »
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The news so far, mainly os4 related, but still

Warp3d support is coming on the new Radeon gfx cards.before the years out (they hope) for os4 owner who get the drivers
http://www.a-eon.com/?news=20-10-2012

Libre Office port has begun for os4, lets hope they can pull it off
http://www.a-eon.com/?news=21-10-2012

Aros is being ported to the Sam 460 boards
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news

Ps: surprised no one else has posted this on here or seems to be that interest in Amiwest, so how come amiga.org users? I know many of you are on other forums so I can kind of understand why discust topics on mulitable forums but still just found it a little odd.

I watched the Amiwest stream,but it was broken half the time, either no sound or video problems. like others have said it was either os4 or aros stuff.
 

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Re: Amiwest News
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2012, 05:07:21 PM »
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Thanks Jorkany. But to be honest i would prefer an offical statement from Hyperion instead of moobunny.


Understandable! Not sure if you've seen it but ssolie started a "clarification" thread on AWN in regards to his presentation, there's also a post there about the netbook:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=36695&forum=16&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#685730


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PS why does he constantly say "haha"? It's creepy.


Probably a nervous reaction to being put on the spot with no real information.
 

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Re: Amiwest News
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2012, 06:09:14 PM »
@Kesa

The OS4 netbook was never anything but "carrot-dangling by spoon-bending", meaning they were trying to dangle a carrot in front of you by giving you an illusion of something cool happening that simply isn't there. As a result you faithfully walked their path another year. But guess what:



Quote from: Kesa;712281
Thanks Jorkany. But to be honest i would prefer an offical statement from Hyperion instead of moobunny.

PS why does he constantly say "haha"? It's creepy.


Look at some recording from the presentation and you will notice yourself that the moobunny post was actually a *pretty accurate* summary of the official statement from Hyperion, including the "creepiness".

http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/228597.shtml

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Re: Amiwest News
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2012, 06:53:27 PM »
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Look at some recording from the presentation and you will notice yourself that the moobunny post was actually a *pretty accurate* summary of the official statement from Hyperion, including the "creepiness".

Got a link to any of the videos? I don't see any on youtube or Vimeo, and the AmiWest site is down due to bandwidth exceeded (maybe they tried to host video there).
 

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Re: Amiwest News
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2012, 07:12:13 PM »
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Got a link to any of the videos? I don't see any on youtube or Vimeo, and the AmiWest site is down due to bandwidth exceeded (maybe they tried to host video there).


Too early to say. As you might imagine it takes time to adapt to a new hotel, having lost their former hotel.
Just when you learn everything you need to do to eliminate technical issues, you have to start over. And there are always surprises the first year in a new hotel...in this case not good ones.
I know that older material has been uploaded to intuitionbase, and they may do that again. Either way, I think we'll have to wait a bit longer for that info.

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Re: Amiwest News
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2012, 09:37:00 PM »
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dangle a carrot in front of you

also funny that he claims he has been given information about the subject last year but today  not anymore. one could start conspiracy theories like he has been fired but doesnt want to admit but i rather think he has been used to spread rumors and as soon as he has fulfilled his task he has become a burden..

i mean he says literally, he has no information, which i dont want to question, as i dont think he could be a genuine liar. this means, he knows about the same what we do (being apparently a pr sort of guy)..do i have to say more?
 

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Re: Amiwest News
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2012, 10:00:49 PM »
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also funny that he claims he has been given information about the subject last year but today  not anymore. one could start conspiracy theories like he has been fired but doesnt want to admit but i rather think he has been used to spread rumors and as soon as he has fulfilled his task he has become a burden..

i mean he says literally, he has no information, which i dont want to question, as i dont think he could be a genuine liar. this means, he knows about the same what we do (being apparently a pr sort of guy)..do i have to say more?


Well in the presentation summary posted on moobunny he's quoted as saying he does not work for Hyperion. This is one of the reasons I want to see the presentation video. If ssolie does not work for Hyperion, then why is he presenting for Hyperion and also claiming to be their Team Project Lead for OS4? Can anybody just say anything and have it accepted by the OS4 community? Or is Hyperion no longer involved in OS4 development?
 

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Re: Amiwest News
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2012, 10:15:31 PM »
if he doesnt work for a company that he claims to represent.. then,well, then his word weights nothing at all. looks like post outsourcing the postal delivery, so that they can claim being innocent as soon as some credit cards go lost on the way.
 

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Re: Amiwest News
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2012, 11:05:51 PM »
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if he doesnt work for a company that he claims to represent.. then,well, then his word weights nothing at all. looks like post outsourcing the postal delivery, so that they can claim being innocent as soon as some credit cards go lost on the way.


+1


Christ, are these people ever going to learn?


@Trevor

I have a few questions to ask, which I'm hoping will be answered, but in the Amiga World, I've learned not to hold my breath.

1) Apparently you and your company (A-EON), invested a substantial monetary investment in the X1000. My question is why? That investment would have been much better spent on a partnership with ACube, by cost-reducing the Sam460. Instead, you created a new motherboard, which is superior in many ways, to the Sam460, but costs over 3 times the price and something the majority of us can't afford to spend on a "hobby."  That is *NOT* cost-effective.

For you or for the rest of us.

2) We've had rumors for over a year now for a "cost-effective" netbook for OS4. While I am aware that you are not directly related to this, it's done nothing, but cause an even bigger rift in a dwindling market. Once again, my question is why? It's obvious that this "netbook" would put a major dent in sales of the X1000 and regardless of what you might think, there's no "developers" looking for "high-end, next generation Amigas", 'cos quite frankly, the previous motherboards, the A1000, Micro-A1, Sam440s, Sam460s are still having issues due to OS4, itself. I, once again, go back that the money you've invested in the X1000 would have been better spent cost-reducing a motherboard that already has been established, albeit with bugs.

3) A-Eon is stating that Warp3D drivers will (hopefully) be available before the end of the year. Once again, this is *NOT* cost-effective for you, but not from a monetary standpoint, but from an ethical one. Since the late 90's, the Amiga Community has been continually lied to, been given promises that weren't kept and many (myself included) have been out-right ripped off. If you don't have the drivers ready, *DON'T* give us a "when it's done" speech. Did you not learn anything from the Community? Didn't you learn this from 3D Realms? Don't make promises you can't keep! When the Radeon 3D drivers are completed, *THEN* tell us about it.

4) A-Eon has funded development of Libre Office. Once again, my question is why? That money would have been better spent porting WINE to AOS4, considering you gain access to applications that use the Windows API. That way, we would have had access to applications, games, etc. instead of "just" Libre Office. I could give you a list of applications that currently work in WINE on Linux, but it's pointless, 'cos you've already invested money in something the Community once again *HOPES* will get completed. Again, it feels as a waste of investment capital.

5) Finally, and I mean this with the utmost respect, but GET YOURSELF A PUBLIC RELATIONS LIASON!!!!!! You say one thing, Steven Solie says something else and the Frieden brothers grew smart and say nothing at all. Find someone that's a public speaker. One whose ready for the insipid questions they'll be asked and are prepared to give positive rebuttals, 'cos quite frankly, none of us really give a sh!t anymore.

I don't know how many times I've told you people this, even once trying to unite the Community, but you *NEVER* listen to us. You people always seem to blow off any requests we have. We ask for a cheaper, Amiga alternative and we get the X1000. When OS4 was first released, people were clamoring for a decent web browser. It took you a decade and a bounty. (Seriously? A bounty? How can you expect people to want to purchase your product, when basic, every-day use isn't even provided by the OS, itself?)

We, the Community, are your *ONLY* source of income, but it seems that you just don't want our money. You don't want us to use your products. You don't want our (ridiculously) zealous support.

I really don't want you guys to fail. I really don't, but it's time to sh!t or get off the pot.

Feel free to PM me, if you'd like assistance in your public image and relations. You need it.

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Re: Amiwest News
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2012, 11:47:35 PM »
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That money would have been better spent porting WINE to AOS4, considering you gain access to applications that use the Windows API.

how would that solve anything unless there is any windows software available for ppc???
 

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Re: Amiwest News
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2012, 11:54:53 PM »
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how would that solve anything unless there is any windows software available for ppc???
Presumably that would be combined with an x86 JIT, though I've been baffled for years that WINE doesn't already include that for non-x86 architectures...

(There would also be whatever software was written for Windows NT 3.51 and 4.0 on PowerPC, but I don't know that there was ever much of that.)
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Re: Amiwest News
« Reply #29 from previous page: October 24, 2012, 12:40:27 AM »
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Presumably that would be combined with an x86 JIT, though I've been baffled for years that WINE doesn't already include that for non-x86 architectures...


Im speaking from ignorance but is this feasible perfomance wise, when we're talking about the 1 ghz range of computers?