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Anyone with Amiga 1000 or 3000
« on: October 01, 2012, 05:27:54 PM »
Hi i been thinking that the only 2 Amigas i have never tried or owed is the Amiga 1000 and 3000. Are there anybody in here who has them, and what are your experience with them? what will you guys say i should get next if it is between these 2? I have a dream about getting a Amiga 3000T but the prices of them are very high. But also it could be cool to own the very first Amiga :)
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Re: Anyone with Amiga 1000 or 3000
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2012, 06:31:51 PM »
I love the a3000.  I have owned two desktops and one a3000T/040.  That tower was amazing...  I miss her dearly.   *sniff*

Lol but in all seriousness with an a3000 if you get an acard scsi to ide adapter and a compact flash adapter, you will already have an awesome machine.  And it's got tons of upgradeability.  I love the built-in vga.  The a4000 in a lot of ways is a downgrade, IMO the only real upgrade is the aga chipset.

I've never owned an a1000 but I don't really know what the benefit would be for having one.  I don't see a ton of things out there floating around so far as a1000 upgrades go :)
 

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Re: Anyone with Amiga 1000 or 3000
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2012, 06:40:24 PM »
The A1000 is a quite nice machine with about 1.5 - 2 megs of total RAM.  I had one in the 90s and I viewed it as just an OCS machine to play games on. I ended up with sidecar hard drive on it.  I see it as more of a nostalgia machine, I'm not really into upgrading them beyond kickstart 1.3 and a hard drive.  I realize that some people have found ways to accelerate them, wedge memory in them, or have a rejuvenator board, but I tend to like them mostly "stock."

The Desktop A3000 is really nice, I still have one, and I think it's right near the pinnacle of development/sophistication (architecture wise) on the Amiga.

Actually the _only_ amiga I haven't yet owned is the A3000T ... and I wish I would've had the cash to get one years ago.
 

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Re: Anyone with Amiga 1000 or 3000
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2012, 07:11:02 PM »
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The A1000 is a quite nice machine with about 1.5 - 2 megs of total RAM.  I had one in the 90s and I viewed it as just an OCS machine to play games on. I ended up with sidecar hard drive on it.  I see it as more of a nostalgia machine, I'm not really into upgrading them beyond kickstart 1.3 and a hard drive.  I realize that some people have found ways to accelerate them, wedge memory in them, or have a rejuvenator board, but I tend to like them mostly "stock."

The Desktop A3000 is really nice, I still have one, and I think it's right near the pinnacle of development/sophistication (architecture wise) on the Amiga.

Actually the _only_ amiga I haven't yet owned is the A3000T ... and I wish I would've had the cash to get one years ago.


Yes it could be nice to have a Amiga 3000T :) I saw one a few days ago to around 1000 dollars with 040 CPU and a lot of other upgrades. i know it sounds much, but still i will rather have the 3000T than a new Lap top Computer :)
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Re: Anyone with Amiga 1000 or 3000
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2012, 07:14:13 PM »
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I love the a3000.  I have owned two desktops and one a3000T/040.  That tower was amazing...  I miss her dearly.   *sniff*

Lol but in all seriousness with an a3000 if you get an acard scsi to ide adapter and a compact flash adapter, you will already have an awesome machine.  And it's got tons of upgradeability.  I love the built-in vga.  The a4000 in a lot of ways is a downgrade, IMO the only real upgrade is the aga chipset.

I've never owned an a1000 but I don't really know what the benefit would be for having one.  I don't see a ton of things out there floating around so far as a1000 upgrades go :)


Why did you decided to sell your Amiga 3000T?
Amiga 4000 030 18 MB ram. 16 Gb HD.
Amiga 1200 030 34 MB ram. 8 Gb HD.
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Re: Anyone with Amiga 1000 or 3000
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2012, 08:01:53 PM »
I own an Amiga 3000 since 1994. The machine is amazing. I have never hat the urge to even touch an Amiga 1200 when I could use the A3000. I brought her to 6MB of RAM and a whopping 800MB of diskspace, which was all I ever needed for that box (except for NetBSD which wouldnt run X with less than 6MB of fast RAM / and 2 of mine are chip RAM).
In 2007 the battery acid killed the display enhancer hardware and I added a GFX-card to make up for the missing flickerfixer. Also I tried to make the Amiga join my lan whith a network card. Both of these boards failed to impress me however.

In a way I don't think the benefits of the A3000 over the A500 are all that significant. I have used my Amiga 500 from 1988 to 1993 and it was always good enough for anything except ray-tracing was slow. But hey - ray tracing is slow today on a quad core PC!
So in essence: The Amiga 1000 will be a great choice, too. And it might even save you some desk-space.
 

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Re: Anyone with Amiga 1000 or 3000
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2012, 10:13:01 PM »
I own an A3000 and for me is the best desktop amiga. The only bad things are the space for acelerators and still no AGA.. The rest is perfect! Easier to work and repair if it's the case, easier than A4000, much more robust.
A3000D/T  are the best amigas you find.
 

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Re: Anyone with Amiga 1000 or 3000
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2012, 03:53:38 AM »
Having owned both the 1000 and 3000D/T.  

I would say the Amiga 1000 is great for older floppy based games that used different flavors of kickstart.  It is nice to have the keyboard dock to hide it away.  Unless it comes with a hard disk already working, it will be a HUGE effort to get one for it and set it up.  A great box in general for retro gaming.

The 3000D in my opinion is the absolute best classic Amiga to own and use.  It is a great box for productivity.  It will be just a fast as any other Amiga once it has an accelerator and video card.  The best things about the 3000 are:
1. It's size, for me the footprint is perfect.
2. The quality of it - The 3000 keyboard has the best feel of any classic.  The case and construction was in the heyday of commodore and they didn't skimp on it.

3000T's are very nice but they are huge, so if you want 7 Zorro cards, 3 Hard disks and a hot tub, the Tower has all the room your ever going to need.  It is laughable how heavy it is, it is the heaviest computer I have ever owned.  The 4000T is almost light in comparison.
At the end of the day though, the Desktops 4 zorro cards and 3 3.5 inch bays are plenty.  The only hardship that the Desktop and to a lesser extent the Tower, are the variety of accelerators you can use.  The only 2 non-PPC boards worth owning (IMHO) is the cyberstorm mkIII or the warp engine 3040.

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Re: Anyone with Amiga 1000 or 3000
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2012, 08:19:59 AM »
A3000 >>>> NO NEED to change the caps!!!!!! :)
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Re: Anyone with Amiga 1000 or 3000
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2012, 02:20:58 PM »
Only I've never owned is the 3000, owned a 4000/030 in the 90s but sold it (the HD floppy was great in the 90s) still own all the others even if 2000s are dead.

My experience? The A1000 is quiet, exudes total quality, and was a great machine for early gaming and apps that needed 1.2/1.3/2.0 kickstarts. So many little things like the musical fanfare when the system board checks are done, the great keyboard etc. I have an 8mb capable Zorro 1 expansion but only has 2mb on it. Hope to make a 9mb A1000 one day :)

So if you have to play Shadow of the Beast or use Final Writer the A1000 is the machine for you really :)
 

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Re: Anyone with Amiga 1000 or 3000
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2012, 05:23:17 PM »
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Why did you decided to sell your Amiga 3000T?

I lost my job for a while :madashell:
 

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Re: Anyone with Amiga 1000 or 3000
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2012, 05:31:39 PM »
I have both machines (well in fact all but the tower models of all of the Amiga model lines).
 
The 1000 was the Amiga I wanted most but by the time I had finally saved up enough to get one the 500 was out and the 1000 was on the outs. Not considered as capable as the 500 because of the keyboard, only 256k for Kickstart, and limited to 512k chip RAM.
 
The 3000 is even more capable an Amiga than the 500/2000 were. Built in hard drive controller, added space internal for RAM, 2MB Chip RAM, 32bit bus for Zorro III, video slot, Space for two floppy drives, and the ultimate nowadays a built in Flicker fixer allowing it to connect to standard VGA monitors out of the box, accelerated. So for all around most flexable Amiga the 3000 wins (4000 edges it out a little having IDE and using SIMMs for RAM instead of ZIPs, and having AGA, but then is edged out a bit not having a flicker fixer). 3000 is also a LOT better built than the 1000, having a metal case aside from the front bezel, though the front of the case can be a detriment to adding the second floppy drive, not being able to use drives with a front faceplate as the 2000 and 4000 can and so needing to get the right models to line up with the slot. Add to that the ability to run Amiga Unix (if you really want to try to get it loaded up noadays and see what 'workstation class' was back then). 3000 has decent space for expansions internal which tend to be less expensive, and the casework is less likely to be damaged opening it to get those expansions inside than the plasticwork 1000.
 
The 3000 easily runs Amiga OS 2.0 and up, but to run below that is not easy. The 1000 runs 0.7 to 1.4 (yes, those non released versions included and easy to get if you know how nowadays) but not easily able to run 2.0 and up.
 
The 1000 is a plastic case with no brass insets for the screws to go into. They tap directly into the plastic meaning if you have to open the machine too many times, or even few times but overtignten the screw, you risk stripping the screw holes or cracking the screw hole posts. This is not just the case but also the screws holding on the front bezel. The 1000 has a reduced keyboard, though at the time of release it was all the keys, later keyboards on all Amigas have more and this can cause some games that need a lot of controls to be harder or not play on the 1000, flight SIMs come to mind. That said it has the sexy keyboard garage which gives the 1000 a lot of charm. It has only one expansion slot, and that is opposite laid out to the 500s making expansions harder to come by that fit properly. It also means you have to 'centepede' it along the desk if you add RAM, Hard drive controller, and other things to it. though this is the case I actually had more fun 'tricking out' my 1000 than any other Amiga. The Genlock that fits in the space under the back, the modem that attached to the side at a whopping 1200 baud, the sound samplers designed to sit in its joystick port (mimetics) or in its parallel port and made to stick out over the top of the back of the case for access from the machines front (the first Perfect Sound).
 
1000 also beats out the 3000 on pure nostalgia. It was the first, it was designed by the original Amiga crew, it has their signatures in the case. It plays those tones before loading kickstart that no other Amiga does.
 
So in short, 3000 is a very capable, and great 'daily driver' Amiga. It is on my desk and I use it to make floppies from ADFs, to copy floppies. I dont have to worry about a 1084 monitor blowing a flyback or whatever makes them die pitiful deaths followed by the anguished NOOOOOO from the Amiga owner who has to try to get a new one with the shipping costs generally more than the price, try to get it fixed in a land where CRTs are like dodo birds, or pay a lot for a flicker fixer. Hook up of hard drives and Opticals are easy, long as you can get your hands on the SCSI stuff.
The 1000 is on the back desk in the corner next to my Vic-20 and 128D. That, is 'the Amiga'.
 
You use the 3000. But while you're using it, the 1000 is the Amiga you're thinking about.
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Re: Anyone with Amiga 1000 or 3000
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2012, 10:48:45 PM »
The A1000 is great for running older software. It is fairly easy to get Kickstart 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 disks that will run software the may not run on newer machines. Granted hard drives may be a problem, unless you can find an A500 sidecar GVP, Supra, etc. They will work with 1.2 and 1.3 Kickstart.
I love the A3000. Great machine! What else can I say?
I also like the A2000 a lot. With at least an '030 accelerator they accept a multitude of Zorro II cards, and the Video Toaster. In the past I have had an A2000 running 3.1OS, and Windows 98 (with a 386 Bridgeboard). There is a lot that can be done with the A2000.
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Re: Anyone with Amiga 1000 or 3000
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2012, 12:33:58 AM »
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The A1000 is great for running older software. It is fairly easy to get Kickstart 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 disks that will run software the may not run on newer machines. Granted hard drives may be a problem, unless you can find an A500 sidecar GVP, Supra, etc. They will work with 1.2 and 1.3 Kickstart.
I love the A3000. Great machine! What else can I say?
I also like the A2000 a lot. With at least an '030 accelerator they accept a multitude of Zorro II cards, and the Video Toaster. In the past I have had an A2000 running 3.1OS, and Windows 98 (with a 386 Bridgeboard). There is a lot that can be done with the A2000.


Did you have Windows 98 on your Amiga 2000? that sounds quite cool :-)
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Re: Anyone with Amiga 1000 or 3000
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2012, 12:38:20 AM »
well I'm biased but the A1000 IS the Amiga before Commodore tainted it!

today we can upgrade the Fast Ram to 8MB and also use IDE drives as DHO's:drink:(check  out the new hardware goodies from kipper & others at Amibay), not  to mention the great flicker fixer by Jens for those that don't have  their old monitors anymore.

nothing against the A3000 but the for me it doesn't have the historical respect and Ferrari like mystique that the 1000 has.
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