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Re: Confessions of a CSPPC Owner
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2012, 04:59:42 AM »
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I had the flagship BlizzardPPC 240/060/50. I ended up selling it over 10 years ago.

The nicest thing about it was the ability to add Bvision and later g-rexx.

The whole PowerUP vs WarpOS thing was really was really big fiasco, and the PPC was not a huge speedup over the 060. Using the PPC bins always seemed to make the amiga more prone to random crashes...

For me it was just an expensive MP3 player. I guess now you have OS 4.1 classic that I did not have back then...

The biggest letdown was FusionPPC never working on Blizzard.

That is why this time around I went for the 1260.

I agree, wish they'd just stuck with 060's (eventually got them up to a reliable 100Mhz) with tons of RAM and fast on-board SCSI.   Couple that kind of CPU card with a decent 3D PC graphics card and you'd have had a very respectable system for most of the 90's.
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Re: Confessions of a CSPPC Owner
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2012, 06:47:13 AM »
CSPPC was pretty cool piece of hardware but its price/performance ratio was somewhat poor due to lack of PPC software.
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Re: Confessions of a CSPPC Owner
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2012, 08:11:10 AM »
Could it be that software is written better for PowerPC? PowerPC systems seemed faster, but that was before all the software crud of the late 90's and 00's starts getting added. (Mandatory on Windows, optional on Amiga).
The machine (PC or Amiga) will slow down when a piece of software tries to overtax one of the components... CPU, memory or graphics.
If the OS is well tuned and there is no buggy software you will have a nice running machine. Trying to tune a modern OS would be a mammoth task and take several years to learn.
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Re: Confessions of a CSPPC Owner
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2012, 08:38:35 AM »
No, it was just that there was no operating system for PPC. PowerUp/WarpUp were only kernels making it possible write PPC software but in practice PPC was not more than a co-processor. With more development, time and money it could have been better but it was little too late for that.

There were weird software issues, too. At least when using WarpUp kernel mouse pointer occasionally froze for few moments when running demanding PPC software.
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Re: Confessions of a CSPPC Owner
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2012, 12:10:51 PM »
I had a blizzPPC-060@50/PPC@240 in the day, and with a graphics card in a tower, it did feel screaming fast.

Agreed that the PPC side was frustrating because you had to search for bits and pieces of drivers and such to make something like ImageFX use PPC handlers and the like.  

I was always more of a command line person on the amiga, and if you did take the time to compile binaries for PPC for your often used tools like lha, zip, and several other cmds, you could achieve a very responsive and productive system with it.

It was a shame that the hybrid system couldn't have been unified a little better.
 

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Re: Confessions of a CSPPC Owner
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2012, 12:27:40 PM »
Also, I held my system at 3.1 during that time even though 3.5 was coming out simply because I wanted it to remain as fast as it could be. Besides many patches and enhancements were available for 3.1.  In retrospect, my overall view of that setup of 3.1 + 060/PPC was that it was just a "no bullshxt" system that truly did nearly everything a mid range PC could do at the time.  True it was not state-of-the-art fast, but it allowed me to seriously use an amiga for real work a little longer.  

Today, for me, Amigas are just for fun and I don't kid myself that (even the new incarnations) can be used for serious work anymore... (that's my view, my opinion, yours may differ).
 

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Re: Confessions of a CSPPC Owner
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2012, 12:34:43 PM »
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I agree, wish they'd just stuck with 060's (eventually got them up to a reliable 100Mhz) with tons of RAM and fast on-board SCSI. Couple that kind of CPU card with a decent 3D PC graphics card and you'd have had a very respectable system for most of the 90's.

There were no decent 3d graphics cards until the mid 90's, by the time they came then even a 100mhz 68060 was woefully inadequate.
 
The time when Amiga lost traction was the beginning of the 90's. When the a500 plus came out the market was in decline and the 3d consoles were coming.
 
The playstation didn't have a very fast processor, but it had a 3d maths coprocessor and a texture mapping gpu, the motion jpec decoder was slightly less important but it added a bit of bling to the games. Sony won the games market in the mid 90's with cheap custom hardware & it was more successful than the Amiga ever was. If commodore had vision then they would have made something similar.
 
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Re: Confessions of a CSPPC Owner
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2012, 08:54:23 PM »
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The csppc made life good on a The csppc blows the Bppc out of the water in performance on scsi alone as well as the ppc side addressing the ram in 64bit.Also a 604e vs the 603.


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This is true for a standard blizzard card,but you have not seen nothing yet.

it's here and its being on my Blizzard card for at least a year and its working,someone got to do some rewriting to do, in-order for it to take full advantage of whats on my card.
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Re: Confessions of a CSPPC Owner
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2012, 09:22:48 PM »
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The csppc blows the Bppc out of the water in performance on scsi alone as well as the ppc side addressing the ram in 64bit.Also a 604e vs the 603.


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Standard blizzard card: correct

Modified blizzard card: ???? . Let's put it this way,I was surprised that OS4.0 at the time almost booted on classic PPC 7xx. not sure yet but I think I may have found the problem.

PPC 7xx to be continued.
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Re: Confessions of a CSPPC Owner
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2012, 11:57:44 AM »
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Confessions of a CSPPC Owner

In the mid-to-late 1990s, I managed to get my hands on a Cyberstorm PPC 233 accelerator for my A4000. At the time, it was such a breath of fresh air. My Amiga 4000 was now as fast, if not faster than the mid-range Windows PC that sat next to it. And whether or not it was actually faster, it didn't matter. It felt faster. It was much more comfortable to use in ways that are still difficult to explain.


That`s totally true : I got myself a CSPPC 060/233 for a couple of weeks upgrading from a standard 030@25. This was a huge difference, which was percieved as an ultra fast setup. Unfortunately, the board was faulty and I had to return it to its owner, so I got back to the old config with the 030.
It felt like stuck in the swamp, paused! So the "positive illusion" was not just an illusion, I was really frustrated after having experienced the sweetness of the most responsive system I ever had.

Regarding the various problems, I never had any major of them probably because of the S/W & H/W combination : WB3.9 & A4000. Nice and transparent PPC binaries integration, stability due to case space , no heating problems.
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Re: Confessions of a CSPPC Owner
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2012, 04:53:10 PM »
Maybe it was just the 060 that made your Amiga feel fast?

They could just as well put a P2 CPU on the board, think about the posibilities of that.
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Re: Confessions of a CSPPC Owner
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2012, 07:02:52 PM »
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Maybe it was just the 060 that made your Amiga feel fast?

They could just as well put a P2 CPU on the board, think about the posibilities of that.


Boot the machine, launch a JIT emulation of a 68k processor and hand everything the Amiga has to do over to that, watch it flyyyyyyyyy :)
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Re: Confessions of a CSPPC Owner
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2012, 07:59:39 PM »
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Boot the machine, launch a JIT emulation of a 68k processor and hand everything the Amiga has to do over to that, watch it flyyyyyyyyy :)


If you want rtg graphics workbench and more power then any Amiga has seen, run UAE on a 2GHz+ x86 system. Only trouble is, I don't have any software that can use that power.
I should have kept some of my productivity programs (from AGA era) it would have been nice to see them running with 3Ghz of power. If I could be bothered I might download some mp3/video programs from aminet and try them on WinUAE.
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Re: Confessions of a CSPPC Owner
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2012, 08:46:03 PM »
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If you want rtg graphics workbench and more power then any Amiga has seen, run UAE on a 2GHz+ x86 system. Only trouble is, I don't have any software that can use that power.
I should have kept some of my productivity programs (from AGA era) it would have been nice to see them running with 3Ghz of power. If I could be bothered I might download some mp3/video programs from aminet and try them on WinUAE.


A few years ago I played GLQuake through beginning to end on WinUAE on a single-core Athlon system, in 1024x768 (uaegfx under P96).  I don't think it ever dipped below 30fps (I kept a counter up). :)  It was sweet!

My someday experiment will be to run PCTask or PC-x under WinUAE on this new system and see how that works.
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Offline TjLaZer

Re: Confessions of a CSPPC Owner
« Reply #28 from previous page: September 18, 2012, 11:45:12 PM »
I was a CSPPC owner and it's actually a bitter experience for me.  I had one in my A4000D and it ended up dieing.  I sent it off to DCE to get fixed in the late 90s to never hear or see it again.  $900 gone just like that.  It was a nice card while I had it though!!  But I do not ever foresee buying anther one again.
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