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Commodore pc
« on: September 11, 2012, 01:06:18 AM »
Hi found this when surfing the net, never knew Commodore made PC.

Many people remember Commodore for their 8-bit and Amiga machines, but many forget that they also made PC's as well. These were fairly non-descript machine ranging from the 8088 to the 486 processors. Commodore first began to produce PC's around 1987 and continued until 1993. When the company reorganised the PC division was one of the first to be cut. Their PC sales never compared to the number of Amigas sold and towards the end they were allegedly making a loss. A rumour circulated after Commodore's demise suggested that the company ordered their engineers to alter the A4000 design, allowing it to be sold in their existing supply of PC cases. For more information on Commodore PCs visit Home Computer.de
Amiga 4000 030 18 MB ram. 16 Gb HD.
Amiga 1200 030 34 MB ram. 8 Gb HD.
Amiga 1200 Tower Apollo 1240
Amiga 2000 030. 9 MB ram. 1 Gb HD.
Amiga 2000 68000 5 MB ram. 500 MB HD.
Amiga 2000 68000 9 MB ram. 1 Gb HD.
Amiga 600 4 MB ram. 4 GB HD.
Amiga 600 1 MB ram. 60 MB HD.
Amiga 500 1 MB ram.
Amiga 500 Plus
Amiga CD32
Amiga CD32
Commodore 64
Commodore 64C
Commodore 128
Commodore 128D
 

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Re: Commodore pc
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2012, 01:34:15 AM »
Wait what? I though the last one was the PC-60 386 and no 486 ones?
Edit: Sorry my bad was thinking the ones named "PC-" :)

I got an mint condition Commodore PC-20 III including the monitor/keyboard and mouse that I bought new :)

It's this one, tho this picture is from google.
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Re: Commodore pc
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2012, 01:37:38 AM »
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Wait what? I though the last one was the PC-60 386 and no 486 ones?

I got an mint condition Commodore PC-20 III including the monitor/keyboard and mouse that I bought new :)

It's this one, tho this picture is from google.


That is quite cool that you have that :) Are it Commodore games you can play on it or pc games? never knew they made PC
Amiga 4000 030 18 MB ram. 16 Gb HD.
Amiga 1200 030 34 MB ram. 8 Gb HD.
Amiga 1200 Tower Apollo 1240
Amiga 2000 030. 9 MB ram. 1 Gb HD.
Amiga 2000 68000 5 MB ram. 500 MB HD.
Amiga 2000 68000 9 MB ram. 1 Gb HD.
Amiga 600 4 MB ram. 4 GB HD.
Amiga 600 1 MB ram. 60 MB HD.
Amiga 500 1 MB ram.
Amiga 500 Plus
Amiga CD32
Amiga CD32
Commodore 64
Commodore 64C
Commodore 128
Commodore 128D
 

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Re: Commodore pc
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2012, 01:42:36 AM »
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That is quite cool that you have that :) Are it Commodore games you can play on it or pc games? never knew they made PC


Well since it's an PC compatible with an 8088 CPU it runs PC games.
Mine has Windows 2.0 installed and the screen is a monochrome screen :)
 

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Re: Commodore pc
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2012, 01:45:08 AM »
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Well since it's an PC compatible with an 8088 CPU it runs PC games.
Mine has Windows 2.0 installed and the screen is a monochrome screen :)

Yes of course it runs PC games when i think about it :-) Did you buy it in Sweden?
Amiga 4000 030 18 MB ram. 16 Gb HD.
Amiga 1200 030 34 MB ram. 8 Gb HD.
Amiga 1200 Tower Apollo 1240
Amiga 2000 030. 9 MB ram. 1 Gb HD.
Amiga 2000 68000 5 MB ram. 500 MB HD.
Amiga 2000 68000 9 MB ram. 1 Gb HD.
Amiga 600 4 MB ram. 4 GB HD.
Amiga 600 1 MB ram. 60 MB HD.
Amiga 500 1 MB ram.
Amiga 500 Plus
Amiga CD32
Amiga CD32
Commodore 64
Commodore 64C
Commodore 128
Commodore 128D
 

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Re: Commodore pc
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2012, 01:48:12 AM »
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Yes of course it runs PC games when i think about it :-) Did you buy it in Sweden?

Yepp, it has a Swedish keyboard, I start it once a year maybe to check if it works as it should other then that I never use it.

These are quite rare here now days, mine has no yellowing what so ever, it was used in my radio room so little to no light on it ever :)

Have been thinking of selling it from time to time since I never use it, but ive kept it :)
 

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Re: Commodore pc
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2012, 01:53:41 AM »
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Yepp, it has a Swedish keyboard, I start it once a year maybe to check if it works as it should other then that I never use it.

These are quite rare here now days, mine has no yellowing what so ever, it was used in my radio room so little to no light on it ever :)

Have been thinking of selling it from time to time since I never use it, but ive kept it :)


Well i think you will regret it if you sold it :) i have never seen one before.
Amiga 4000 030 18 MB ram. 16 Gb HD.
Amiga 1200 030 34 MB ram. 8 Gb HD.
Amiga 1200 Tower Apollo 1240
Amiga 2000 030. 9 MB ram. 1 Gb HD.
Amiga 2000 68000 5 MB ram. 500 MB HD.
Amiga 2000 68000 9 MB ram. 1 Gb HD.
Amiga 600 4 MB ram. 4 GB HD.
Amiga 600 1 MB ram. 60 MB HD.
Amiga 500 1 MB ram.
Amiga 500 Plus
Amiga CD32
Amiga CD32
Commodore 64
Commodore 64C
Commodore 128
Commodore 128D
 

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Re: Commodore pc
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2012, 01:57:01 AM »
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Well i think you will regret it if you sold it :) i have never seen one before.

Yeah I am glad I kept it :D Ill bring it out some day and take a few photos and post here :)
I know many that never seen one before they saw mine :P
 

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Re: Commodore pc
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2012, 02:01:03 AM »
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Yeah I am glad I kept it :D Ill bring it out some day and take a few photos and post here :)
I know many that never seen one before they saw mine :P


Yes you should do that :) it could be nice to see.
Amiga 4000 030 18 MB ram. 16 Gb HD.
Amiga 1200 030 34 MB ram. 8 Gb HD.
Amiga 1200 Tower Apollo 1240
Amiga 2000 030. 9 MB ram. 1 Gb HD.
Amiga 2000 68000 5 MB ram. 500 MB HD.
Amiga 2000 68000 9 MB ram. 1 Gb HD.
Amiga 600 4 MB ram. 4 GB HD.
Amiga 600 1 MB ram. 60 MB HD.
Amiga 500 1 MB ram.
Amiga 500 Plus
Amiga CD32
Amiga CD32
Commodore 64
Commodore 64C
Commodore 128
Commodore 128D
 

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Re: Commodore pc
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2012, 03:01:47 AM »
Their nicest looking PC was the PC-1, which looked exactly like the Commodore 128D computer (a bit like the A1000) and apart from Atari's also slim n sexy PC-1 too (which looked exactly like a Mega ST) ALL other makes of PCs from the 80s and 90s look rubbish and obese to me :D
 

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Re: Commodore pc
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2012, 08:07:48 AM »
I have a Commodore 386SX laptop, but I remember that back in the day, I wanted the Commodore 486 laptop.

Yow!  It runs Windows 3.1!
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Re: Commodore pc
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2012, 08:46:11 AM »
Quote from: lassie;707586
Hi found this when surfing the net, never knew Commodore made PC.

Many people remember Commodore for their 8-bit and Amiga machines, but many forget that they also made PC's as well. These were fairly non-descript machine ranging from the 8088 to the 486 processors. Commodore first began to produce PC's around 1987 and continued until 1993. When the company reorganised the PC division was one of the first to be cut. Their PC sales never compared to the number of Amigas sold and towards the end they were allegedly making a loss. A rumour circulated after Commodore's demise suggested that the company ordered their engineers to alter the A4000 design, allowing it to be sold in their existing supply of PC cases. For more information on Commodore PCs visit Home Computer.de

Commodore's decision to try to compete in the IBM clone market, with it's ever shrinking profit margins was part of their downfall.  They could not compete with the razor thin profit margins that also almost killed the likes of Dell and Gateway (named Gateway2000 at the time), plus dozens of other IBM clone manufacturers, or assemblers who were trying to cash in on the rapidly increasing computer sales market during the early 90's.

IIRC, Commodore had already lost too much money before they shut down the PC division.  Shutting that division down was a last ditch attempt to save themselves from going bankrupt, but it was already too late, and only delayed the inevitable. Most game developers had already abandoned the Amiga market for PC clones & consoles by 1993.  Also, since the Amiga had been neglected by Commodore, who spent their money trying to get established in the IBM clone market, instead of spending the needed money on R&D to keep the Amiga ahead of PC clones and the Mac, every new release of AmigaOS was a disappointment to existing Amiga owners.  Everything after the original Amiga, later called the A1000, was too little too late.
How are you helping the Amiga community? :)
 

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Re: Commodore pc
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2012, 12:35:52 PM »
From what I've read the PC clones were deveoped by Commodore Europe and were mostly sold there where the Commodore name was worth a lot and held in high regard.
 
It's doubtfull these PC clones were the primary reason in Amiga falling behind. Amiga started losing its lead when the 1000-500-2000-CDTV-3000 years (1985-1990, 5 entire years and so many models!) saw no real advance in Amiga graphics besides EHB, productivity and a scandoubler,  and NO advance in sound, meanwhile the PC market did not stand still and Commodore cancelled projects like the 3000+ delaying AGA for years.
 

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Re: Commodore pc
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2012, 01:50:35 PM »
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Commodore's decision to try to compete in the IBM clone market, with it's ever shrinking profit margins was part of their downfall.  They could not compete with the razor thin profit margins that also almost killed the likes of Dell and Gateway (named Gateway2000 at the time), plus dozens of other IBM clone manufacturers, or assemblers who were trying to cash in on the rapidly increasing computer sales market during the early 90's.

IIRC, Commodore had already lost too much money before they shut down the PC division.  Shutting that division down was a last ditch attempt to save themselves from going bankrupt, but it was already too late, and only delayed the inevitable. Most game developers had already abandoned the Amiga market for PC clones & consoles by 1993.  Also, since the Amiga had been neglected by Commodore, who spent their money trying to get established in the IBM clone market, instead of spending the needed money on R&D to keep the Amiga ahead of PC clones and the Mac, every new release of AmigaOS was a disappointment to existing Amiga owners.  Everything after the original Amiga, later called the A1000, was too little too late.


Dell was on a rocket through the 90s.  They were no where near death.  Gateway maybe but not until the 00s.

Agree on the CBM Clone distraction.
 

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Re: Commodore pc
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2012, 01:55:15 PM »
Yeah, Commodore made tons of these back in the late 80s.  But it was too little, too late, to save them.  By the time they got around to making PC clones, there were already hundreds if not thousands of other clone makers out there producing better products at better prices.