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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #89 on: September 11, 2012, 12:38:52 AM »
Last night i was looking at the Genesi Smartbook and couldn't help but wonder. Imagine the possibilities. Why don't we just switch over to ARM and be done with it.
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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #90 on: September 11, 2012, 12:51:01 AM »
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Who says they're in a rush and paying for it? I'm not sure if there's big money in pay cloud services right now, outside of the corporate market maybe. Services like iCloud are offered free of charge - value adds.

iCloud is free for 5GB, the smallest device is 16GB so if you backup to that, it pretty much takes up that space now you want to share photos between your iPhone and iPad and Mac thats more space. Documents, more space. Music, more space. Apple knows most users will run out of 5GB quickly and need more. The 'free' part of iCloud is the free hit of the bong to get you hooked.
 
Netbooks will be killed by Ultrabooks on the bit bigger and expensive but more usefull side and tablets on the cheaper and smaller but a touch less usefull (no keyboard less storage) side.
 
That said, I agree with a lot of folks here, most who own a tablet it is not all they own. Tablets are travel, reading, video watching, bit of surfing. Type a document or long email you go to your laptop, desktop, netbook or ultrabook. Could you use a bluetooth keyboard with your tablet? Sure. But now you wrestle two devices around, etc. Easy just to grab the laptop. Keyboard is already there.
 
I think with more emphasis on cloud OS becomes less important, and on a tablet is is least important. You dont expect a tablet to do tons of things. A laptop, netbook, desktop you expect to do more on. So in a market nowadays, Amiga OS would probably fare better on a tablet over other things. Then again, I would love to see Amiga OS on anything modern that wasnt insane priced. I bought a PowerBook to run MorphOS just to get a portable Amiga experience.
 
So we have to face facts, any Amiga netbook, ultrabook, laptop or desktop is likely to be sold mainly to existing Amiga fans. Tablets might have a wider audience if positioned/priced right but of course even there you have the big gorillas in the room of iPad and Android (Nexus 7 anyone?). The BB Playbook and HP Touchpad learned this the hard way.
 
I am glad to hear Natami is still in the works. I want to see that come out since it sounded better than most other similar hardware emulators.
 

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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #91 on: September 11, 2012, 02:39:24 AM »
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I haven't read all the comments, but if they have any news on the netbook it will surely be announced at Amiwest this year.

If they don't provide at least some new information at, or before the 2012 AmiWest Show, something is really wrong, considering the initial statement from last year's AmiWest Show was that the Hyperion OS4.x NetBook would be released some time around June or July of 2012.

If that statement is not what other people remember hearing at last year's show, I would like to read a direct quote of what was said to refresh my memory.  My memory of the projected release date could be incorrect, as everyone knows my memory ain't what it used to be.

(Edit:  I found a YouTube video of the announcement made during the 2011 AmiWest Show which clearly says a projected release during the first half of 2012, so it is really a shame that no information has been released from Hyperion, now that we are nearing the end of the 3rd quarter of 2012. A simple statement about what is going on is all that they needed to give us, to protect the respect that Amiga users have given to Hyperion.  Each time they choose to ignore us, or keep us in the dark with zero information about why they have not met their projected goals, they lose a little bit more of the respect all OS4.x users want to keep giving to them.  We as users would like Hyperion to give us the same amount of respect as we give to them.  After all, we have paid for their product and show confidence and respect for them by continuing to purchase their product, even when it is not perfected and still needs more work.  We trust them to continue working on OS4.x as they have promised they would.  I would hope that they can return some of that trust, by giving us some information about what is happening within their company, which we are supporting and want to continue supporting.)

I don't blame Hyperion for missing a projected release date, that happens with tons of computer software and hardware companies probably more often than projected release dates being accurate, but I am disappointed that they have not released a single shred of information about the proposed OS4.x NetBook this Summer, when all of us were expecting something.  If not an actual release of the NetBook, at least some kind of information or update on the progress of their work on porting OS4.x to it and getting the drivers written to use the most/all features of the NetBook.

Amiga users have more patience than any other computer users in the World, but that patience should not be abused by companies that want our continued support.

Don't get me wrong, as a new X1000 owner, I want Hyperion to succeed and prosper as much as possible, as their success and continued progress on OS4.x is vital to my continued enjoyment of my X1000.

That does not mean that users of OS4.x can't offer constructive criticism of Hyperion's decisions and practices, but hopefully any criticism by OS4.x users will be done in a helpful way and not with the intent to hurt the owner of the OS we want to run.  I did not buy my X1000 to run Linux on (but I am glad that it can).

I know that this message might anger some of the supporters of Hyperion and OS4.x, but I think that we, the users of OS4.x need to express our opinions and views about the decisions and actions (or lack of actions) of Hyperion, if we are ever going to expect them to act differently and hopefully meet our expectations and their own promises, or projections.  I understand that setbacks happen and resources are extremely limited, but that is no good excuse for not communicating with your supporters.  This goes for all flavors of NG Amiga systems.
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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #92 on: September 11, 2012, 11:15:12 AM »
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iCloud is free for 5GB, the smallest device is 16GB so if you backup to that, it pretty much takes up that space now you want to share photos between your iPhone and iPad and Mac thats more space. Documents, more space. Music, more space. Apple knows most users will run out of 5GB quickly and need more. The 'free' part of iCloud is the free hit of the bong to get you hooked.

True there is a 5GB limit for the free account, but it's important to note that any iTunes content (music, movies, apps, etc.) do not count towards that total - they are backed up for free regardless.  You can also pick and choose which content you want to backup.  For most people what's most important is camera data (photos and videos).  I have to say, of all the people I know with iPhones and using iCloud, I don't know anyone paying for it.
 

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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #93 on: September 11, 2012, 12:26:18 PM »
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True there is a 5GB limit for the free account, but it's important to note that any iTunes content (music, movies, apps, etc.) do not count towards that total - they are backed up for free regardless. You can also pick and choose which content you want to backup. For most people what's most important is camera data (photos and videos). I have to say, of all the people I know with iPhones and using iCloud, I don't know anyone paying for it.

Not sure iTunes content is "backed up" in iCloud. You can redownload all of your purchases through iTunes anytime on any device you use your account on. This was a change from earlier days of iTunes where you lost it all and could not redownload if you didn't back it up and started after Amazon started sellign MP3s and like with their books kept track of what you bought so you could get it again anytime and they also dont count purchases toward your cloud storage.
 
I dont know of anyone paying YET for it either. But you know as more apps use it to transfer data (there really arent that many yet since you need apps on both phone, pad and mac) space will fill quickly. People also need a bit more time to warm to letting someone else store your stuff and trusting them not to lose it, and to have access to it whenever you want it.
 
My iCloud is full just with my 64gb iPad and 64gb phone backing up but I dont care, and dont use it to transfer pictures, and I have a 500GB Seagate Satellite GoFlex drive to deal with my videos. My music is all putchased from Amazon who give me it in MP3 format that works in my car radio instead of iTunes which gives me Apples format
 
Ultimatly we all know, Apple (and Amazon and the rest) want you to pay monthly for more storage as a continuous income stream.
 

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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #94 on: September 11, 2012, 01:21:06 PM »
I simply do not understand why someone needs so much storage space. The only thing i can think of is collecting movies or something. I have a 600GB HD in my laptop and an external HD 1.5 TB and i can't fill the thing up. I have like 100 movies on there and still have 1 + GB left over. I don't get it. Why do you need so much storage space? :confused:
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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #95 on: September 11, 2012, 01:31:01 PM »
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I had to check wether this was Amiga.org or OldDuffers.org, it's funny how fans of a computer that changed the world 25 years ago now piss and moan about tablets, the most transformative innovation in the computer world in the last two decades.


That is because companies have factored us out.
 

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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #96 on: September 11, 2012, 01:34:33 PM »
'cos a USB HD wont plug into an iPad or an iPhone. And isn't usable if you make it plug in.  iTunes or another 3rd party product is the only way to back it up.  Apple doesn't just want you to buy iPads they want you to use them as the only window to your stuff.  That they hold for you...good plan.

BTW, I just recieved my new OS4 netbook by courier today...

Ohh hang on.. that was a dream wasn't it....!

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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #97 on: September 11, 2012, 01:36:59 PM »
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I simply do not understand why someone needs so much storage space. The only thing i can think of is collecting movies or something. I have a 600GB HD in my laptop and an external HD 1.5 TB and i can't fill the thing up. I have like 100 movies on there and still have 1 + GB left over. I don't get it. Why do you need so much storage space? :confused:


We have a new digital camera that takes 16 gigabyte pictures so each picture takes up five megs.  Since our camera has 24X zoom, I took it to the ballgame and my wife is a sports fan so I ended up taking 292 pictures.   I did a little math and that is a gigabyte and a half of pictures for one outing.  When you have kids, you photograph them at school events, sporting events, birthdays, parties, etc.  If you do video, it is easy to fill up 1.5 terrabyte drives.

I could get by on backing my computer up on a 64 gigabyte thumbdrive but I have a 160 GB hard drive that is almost full.  MP3 music takes up a lot of space.
 

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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #98 on: September 11, 2012, 01:42:00 PM »
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We have a new digital camera that takes 16 gigabyte pictures so each picture takes up five megs.  Since our camera has 24X zoom, I took it to the ballgame and my wife is a sports fan so I ended up taking 292 pictures.   I did a little math and that is a gigabyte and a half of pictures for one outing.  When you have kids, you photograph them at school events, sporting events, birthdays, parties, etc.  If you do video, it is easy to fill up 1.5 terrabyte drives.

I could get by on backing my computer up on a 64 gigabyte thumbdrive but I have a 160 GB hard drive that is almost full.  MP3 music takes up a lot of space.


16 Megapixels I think you mean.

You can usually change the photo quality to JPG and higher compression.

But they still wont fit on a OS4 Netbook.
 

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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #99 on: September 11, 2012, 01:47:44 PM »
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Funny how some people can't understand why people like me have absolutely no need for a tablet.  How many tablet users only have a tablet?  Very few, I bet.


Our laptop died so I wanted a way to read the plans on electronic kits and build them without spending a lot of money and I ran out of space for books because our bookshelves are full and I don't have room or space for new bookshelves.  

I now have an Amazon Kindle Fire.  It boots quick.  It is light.  I can check websites really really quick without being tied to a desktop.  I can take it to restaurants that have free wifi.

It is an e-reader.  I also learned how to send myself microsoft word documents and I can make my own e-documents so I can have important papers with me when I need them on the go.

It keeps my son happy with the games.  I can also play MP3 music with it so it is nice to take your books on vacation instead of carrying around 3 or 4 paperback books.

The new Kindle Fire HD that just came out is not add free;  I don't know why people put up with this nonsense but we don't have a reason to ever upgrade.
 

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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #100 on: September 11, 2012, 01:50:15 PM »
One of my friends downloads a lot of music. He will download 10 or 30 songs at one time, then listen to the first 10 seconds of each song, then decides he hates those songs, then he will download another 10 or 30 songs. Then he do it all over again. He quickly goes through iphones and ipods as a part of his "collection". I don't get it :confused:

I suspect he is doing what everyone else is doing - deliberately filling up an ipod/iphone with worthless data just to brag about running out of space. I think its a right of passage or something. Dunno. I mean, people are downloading so many songs there simply isn't enough time to listen to it all. So why are they doing it?
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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #101 on: September 11, 2012, 01:53:47 PM »
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OS4... Netbook...Natwherarewe.
 

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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #102 on: September 11, 2012, 02:04:02 PM »
I hope the Natami Will get released out of nostalgia purposes bridging the gap between the Amiga and new technology without the need for multiple add-ons. That said, I am still happy with the existing Amiga technology and don't want to be bomboozled by modern day stuff which we have already. I guess this is the project they have in mind for the Natami. I think most Amigan's creative output would be well enhanced with such a machine. The X1000 is the closest computer to a new Amiga that I've seen.
 

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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #103 on: September 11, 2012, 02:08:15 PM »
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One of my friends downloads a lot of music. He will download 10 or 30 songs at one time, then listen to the first 10 seconds of each song, then decides he hates those songs, then he will download another 10 or 30 songs. Then he do it all over again. He quickly goes through iphones and ipods as a part of his "collection". I don't get it :confused:

I suspect he is doing what everyone else is doing - deliberately filling up an ipod/iphone with worthless data just to brag about running out of space. I think its a right of passage or something. Dunno. I mean, people are downloading so many songs there simply isn't enough time to listen to it all. So why are they doing it?


Have you explained to him that it's possible to delete stuff off an ipod/iphone? He doesn't have to get another one once one fills up...
 

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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #104 from previous page: September 11, 2012, 02:11:01 PM »
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If they don't provide at least some new information at, or before the 2012 AmiWest Show, something is really wrong,

If you haven't yet realized "something is really wrong" and has been for years with Hyperion & Co., you never will.