AmigaOS 4.0 makes Wired News!

[Rogue]

Lando said it better than I ever could. Hypocritical self-righteousness is pretty much a signature for AW, so you sure do have a nerve.

Regardless of what you might  think about the moderators or their style of moderation, it doesn't give you the right to call all that go there "loons", as much as it wouldn't give me the right to call all Morphos.net attendees "loons", which I never did.

Creepy because nobody seems to challenge totally stupid posts - probably for fear of being labelled a troll.

Yeah, "don't feed the trolls unless they speak in the opposite direction". Do you really think that this wouldn't happen on morphos-centered site? Be honest.

This whole Nate Downes thing is just absolutely indicitive of the reputation AW now has - and has earned. I see they're busy setting him up as the next antichrist. Farewell to reality.

If "that Nate Downes thing" is indicative for Aw.net, then your calling a general group of people "loons" just because they visit and frequent a certain web site is indicative of your kind.

So it all boils down to the reasoning "They are loons because I know they are"?  That is what I call self-rightiousness.

[Rogue]

BTW, i thought OS4 was going to be released for CyberstormPPC users first? I am buying a CSPPC and I wouldn't mind having OS4 run on it. Is the CSPPC version still coming

That is still the plan.  The upcoming developer release isn't a release in the sense that we declare it finished, but rather a possibility for those with Earlybirds to start using and developing on it.  The idea is still to get the CSPPC "release" done first (possibly with the BPPC version on the same disk, although that depends on the state of the device drivers at that time).

[takemehomegrandma]

And i have always wondered why MorphOS/Genesi ppl NEVER focus on their own strenghts.

That is not true. Your statement is not fair. :-(

With a different approach, i believe that they would have attracted a LOT more amiga users than they have now. In fact, this approach from BBRV and employees really is doing more damage than good. I hope they will realise that some day. And it definately is holding me back from buying what seems to be a very decent AmigaOS alternative.

OK, I am biting your bate, I am falling into the trap!

So this is some judgement day, and you are a judge? OK then, go back a year or two in forums and read forward. The Pegasos/MorphOS "supporters" has allways had to fight from below, allways had to defend their alternative way from the allways *so holy* but never available "official" branch. Count the laughs about unstability issues, count the mockery, etc. Why did key MOS/Pegasos people like Ralph Schmidt stop posting on public forums? Posters was burnt, insane personal insults were made, there seemed to be no end to the mockery. Ben Hermans was a key mud slinger. Sources like ann.lu still holds everything intact for the interested. I am sure that you will see that any "aggressive approaches" were only responses to insane aggressions!

Perhaps you don't realize that your "with a different approach" goes the other way around too? Why is people like "Eva" on ann posting with such energy? Isn't it possible that the approach of Ben Hermans&Co scared away people from OS4 too?

However, the Pegasos/MorphOS has **proven their case**, time after time. I have personally owned a Pegasos 1 (april1), a Pegasos 1 (april2), a Pegasos 2, MorphOS1.0-1.4. I have enjoyed that for over a year now, so I know what I am talking about.

The strengths of the Pegasos and MorphOS speaks for itself. No "Fleecy Hype" is needed. Don't pretend otherwise!

[starbird80]

>...Nate, who was rather upset that they had quoted his email (out of the number they recieved).

FWIW, I was the "reader" quoted in last year's Wired Vaporware article, and they didn't inform me ahead of time they were going to quote me.

I had made my "nomination" on the day the call-for-submissions article was put online, so I'd be interested to learn if Nate did the same this time around.  Mayhap Wired just culled a quote from the first day, then counted succeeding nominations?

[downix]

I wonder if that was really him. Funny, in a way. I just pray this doesn't start the factions warring again

Hate to say it, but yes, that is really me.

I can't believe they picked ME out of every submission to quote!  

[weirdami]

Even though they put that his comment was posted by a "reader", it's still being reported as news and people now will be citing his comment as fact. The sad thing is, off-hand comments with no factual basis are often reported as fact. I thought what's been shown in the roadshow was a beta. How old is Nate's info?

One thing cool, though, is that to get on the list (from what I gather), there have to be people who really wanted it to come out. So, being on the list is really a good thing, in a way. :-)

On other thing, I don't remember any promises of AOS4.0 being out in 2003. Did I miss that announcement? I remember only them saying that they wouldn't be making any announcements until they had something to release. It's been "it'll come out when it's done" for a while now, hasn't it?

[downix]

I had made my "nomination" on the day the call-for-submissions article was put online, so I'd be interested to learn if Nate did the same this time around. Mayhap Wired just culled a quote from the first day, then counted succeeding nominations?

Actually yes, I think I sent mine in within the first few hours of the nominating.

[Argo]

I take it as fate, kismet, it was meant to be. That's just the way of things in the Amiga Community.
Out of all the submissions for Amiga OS 4.0, why did they have to quote him? See above.  It's like Amiga, Inc. and Genesi, SARL are locked in some epic battle the kind waged by legendary ancient gods for eons. Only in this case, given the size of the market and community,  on the microscopic scale. Okay, okay, so it's like two three year old duking it out in the sandbox over who gets to decide where to build the sand castle. :-?

[Lando]

It's great to see you call people with different opinions "loons". It's just exemplary for your hypocritical self-rightousness. You could go over there and try to start a sensible discussion, but you prefer to call them "loons" from a distance.

A sensible discussion? On aw.net?

Have you even read that thread you're talking about? Is that what you call sensible discussion?

A whole website full of people laying into one guy,  just because he happened to state some facts they don't like.  What Nate said was 100% accurate.

They're behaving as if it's his fault you and your company have completely failed to deliver what you promised.

[Methuselas]

Hey, can you believe that Houston's got Roger Clemens and Andy Pettit on their pitching roster?!??  :-D The Astros might actually make it out of the Pennant race this year.

[Argo]

Well, one good thing it does show is that there is anticipation for the product. Enough to get it listed in the Top Ten "Announced, Want to Have, but it's not Out Yet!" List.
I wonder  how many other products were nominated that didn't make the list.

[lempkee]

i totally agree with Z5 on this , it didnt take me many days to see where genesi was going , anyway i am glad to see that yet again the NAME "AMIGA" is on every news board around and beeing with the likes of Halflife 2 etc , i am glad os4 will come eventually


anyway that said, i hope that everyone by now understands that Amiga and Genesi aint exactly friends but sometimes enemies or rivals need to be friends atleast imho they should comunicate.

getting very sick of all the fights atm..

[Matt_H]

I really don't want to get involved with this mess, so I'm going to offer this, and say no more on the subject:

I think this whole issue exposes a flaw with Wired's "pop journalism" technique.

1) It seems Mr. Downes submitted OS4 for the vapor award very shortly after submissions began. It is possible it was the first nomination for OS4 and subsequent nominations merely added to the count and were not checked for new/alternative info.
2) As a reader, Mr. Downes is very much entitled to submit an opinion. However, as an employee of Genesi it seems near impossible to leave some level of bias, no matter how small, out of his opinion.
3) Wired made no attempt to verify Mr. Downes identity (as an employee of a  competitor). This I can forgive (I didn't even know this myself until I started reading this thread), but a really good journalist would have discovered it.
4) Most importantly, Wired apparently made no attempt to verify Mr. Downes' statement. Note that the following are assumptions, not fact:
   a)They didn't check any community sites, either AW or AO (or others), to see what's been happening in the community/market.
   b)They didn't check with AmigaInc, Eyetech, or Hyperion on the status of OS4 and the A1 boards.
   c)They didn't even talk to Genesi to report about a currently available AmigaOS alternative.

Bottom Line: Wired is reporting opinion as fact, and that's extremely unprofessional for a supposed "reputable news source."

Final Point: Can we bury the hatchet, please? No more muckraking, no more trolling. I'm so sick of reading this stuff...





Dislcaimer: No offense is intended to Mr. Downes, AO, AW, Genesi, AInc, Hyperion, Eyetech, or any other party with the exception of Wired.

[downix]

@Matt_H

I already stated a desire to bury the hatchet, several times in fact.

And I still do not consider Genesi a competitor to neither Eyetech nor Hyperion, as neither of them provide solutions, as Genesi does.  Eyetech is, by any standards, a reseller, not a designer/manufacturer.  Hyperion is a software house.  Genesi does not resell as a general rule nor does it develop and sell software, thereby eliminating it as a competitor to either.

If Eyetech tomorrow were to login to the Genesi site and sign up as a reseller, purchasing 20 Pegasos 2 boards... you know what the first words out of bbrv's mouth would be?  "Their cash is green, ship them some."  If Hyperion wrote to Genesi saying "Hey, we'd like to get OS4 onto the Pegasos" Genesi would have a board in their hands faster than you could say jack robinson.  Genesi is above everything else a business, and they mean to stay in business.   Genesi's competitor here is not Eyetech, Hyperion nor even Amiga, Inc.  It is Mai's resellers division, the section the manufactures the AmgiaONE for Eyetech.  

Does this make sence to anyone else?

[Argo]

Nope, it doesn't. I don't understand Blue logic. I've tried, but just can't wrap my mind around it. Not to worry though, I have almost as much trouble with Red logic. I think the problem is that people tend to make up their own definitions of what things are, so there is no continuity from one person's argument to another in a debate or discussion.

[Matt_H]

Okay, so I stretched the truth a bit when I said my previous post would be my only one on the topic...

@ downix

Thanks for stating your view on the subject. I wish that was the way more people saw things. Nothing would make me happier than to see AInc/Hyperion/Eyetech and Genesi combine resources.

As of right now however, the market is divided, and the A1/OS4 and Peg/MOS appear to me, the user, as competing products (hence the statement in my previous post).

I am trying to remain neutral throughout this whole crisis...