AmigaOS 4.0 makes Wired News!

[Warface]

No, actually Beta versions have been shown and are distributed to the beta testers a long time ago.

Not that it matters, but out of curiosity, how can you tell apart a demoed alpha or beta version?

Learning from past threads, it seems OS4 betatester team has a pretty much different definition of "beta" than the rest of the world.

[Hammer]

Mai reference board. I think there is a translation issue here. What is being sold is EXACTLY a Mai reference board, afaik. What a REFERENCE BOARD means is that it is produced exactly to the OEM REFERENCE DESIGN. My GeForce4Ti by Chaintech is a REFERENCE nVidia GeForce4Ti board, because Chaintech made no modifications of their own to the nVidia design before they manufactured it. They simply manufacture copies of nVidia's base design. It is sold as a Chaintech, because they manufactured it, but it is still properly referred to as an nVidia reference board.

On a motherboard context, there was an interview with NVIDIA PR on what degree does the motherboard manufactures follows the reference nForce2 class motherboards i.e. they stated that LeadTek would be the closest while ASUS was the opposite. They could base their designs on the reference design but they may substitute some of surrounding components towards the cheaper end e.g. Chaintech’s nForce2 has the worst AC97 DACs.

On the NVIDIA GeForce FX (e.g. 5800/Ultra, 5900/Ultra and 5950) front, the manufacturing of those GFX cards are tighter than the nForce2 motherboards. There could be some variance in relation to cooling solutions and the quality of memory installed.

[Hammer]

"wrote reader Nate Downes." <---- this is lame enough..

There’s some economic considerations in relation to Nate Downes’s statements i.e. an employee(stakeholder) of Genesi.

[Hammer]

redrumloa wrote:

It is not even fact! AmigaOS4 was never promised for 2003 afaik....

The world outside of the Amiga community doesn't know the internal politics and dates promised. It was promised originally for release in 2001 by Amiga Inc IIRC.

I recall, that particular “AmigaOS 4.0” spec is just like a PPC ‘*Amithlon’ with a eye candy add-ons.

One could have used the code name method (i.e. Anvil, Longhorn, Chicago and ‘etc’) before applying it on the final release label.

[mikeymike]

What's in a name? Technically, of course, you're right.

Overall, he's right too.  Unless of course you feel that it would be a bright idea for any company to try and set themselves up as a custom chip designer for a small niche platform.  I think funding short of half a billion pounds to set up such a venture would almost certainly fail.  Maybe a billion pounds.

So let's not start nitpicking about board designs.

[EntilZha]

Shame that some people do not know the difference between a personal opinion, and a competitor company's smear. Oh well, I knew that would happen.

The difference between a personal opinion and a competitor's smear is the context it's posted in.

I find it hillarious that Wired quotes the main competitor  of a product ON the product. I really don't give a rat's ass if Nate asked for it. That's not what I'm angry about. It's been quoted, that's the point.

Sorry, but that is competitor's smear.

And that from "nice" Nate Downs who calls my a sychophant on Slashdot, well knowing I don't read that site. Yeah, very nice.

Having said that: Great, we're on the same list as Half Life 2. Heck, if they can't keep thier schedule with their budget, I'm awfully proud that we can't, either  :-D

Oh, and Downix: Thanks a lot for calling me a sychophant.  I really appreciate that.
Edit: By the way, it's spelled "sycophants"  :-D

[mikeymike]

I recall, that particular “AmigaOS 4.0” spec is just like a PPC ‘*Amithlon’ with a eye candy add-ons...

Do you have a point to this?  If not, please don't troll.  It's a potentially dodgy hot topic as it is.

[Hammer]

mikeymike wrote:

I recall, that particular “AmigaOS 4.0” spec is just like a PPC ‘*Amithlon’ with a eye candy add-ons...

Do you have a point to this?  If not, please don't troll.  It's a potentially dodgy hot topic as it is.

Well, one should specifically state the 'regime' that the product is under.

PS; trolling??? I recall, I have not insulted the said person.  Unlike the others, I don’t have any stake on any of PPC solutions provided.

[Ilwrath]

@mikeymike-

Overall, he's right too. Unless of course you feel that it would be a bright idea for any company to try and set themselves up as a custom chip designer for a small niche platform.

No, he is not right in what was said.  As far as I know the A1 is a Mai reference design.  Therefore, again, as far as I know, saying it is not, is incorrect.

Now, was it the right move to make the A1 based on a reference design?  Of course it was!  It would be sheer folly to try to design a totally new system on a shoestring budget.  I'm not saying it's a bad move.  I'm just saying it is totally correct to call it a reference board.

So let's not start nitpicking about board designs.

I'm not.  I'm nitpicking other people's statements.  ;-)

[redrumloa]

I find it hillarious that Wired quotes the main competitor of a product ON the product.

I found it funny too.  Although we both know Wired probably has no clue who Hyperion or Genesi is. They do know the name Amiga though.

And that from "nice" Nate Downs who calls my a sychophant on Slashdot, well knowing I don't read that site.

I have never seen that, but then again I do not read Slashdot myself.

Having said that: Great, we're on the same list as Half Life 2.

It's great publicity, and i really mean that! If you were able to release OS4 soon you could use that publicity to your advantage.

*Edit*
BTW, i thought OS4 was going to be released for CyberstormPPC users first? I am buying a CSPPC and I wouldn't mind having OS4 run on it. Is the CSPPC version still coming first?

[Rogue]

Pathetic, but not really surprising. I'm just glad all the loons got concentrated in one site, after the rest of the Amiga sites refused to be unfair and unbalanced.

It's great to see you call people with different opinions "loons". It's just exemplary for your hypocritical self-rightousness. You could go over there and try to start a sensible discussion, but you prefer to call them "loons" from a distance.

To tell you the truth, I wasn't the least upset about being on that list. There is no denying that we've been delayed over and over again. What I found offensive was Nate's comment, which was mostly exaggerated (see my reasoning on aw.net if are unbalanced enough to hear out the other side; I am not going to repeat it again).

[jahc]

It's great to see you call people with different opinions "loons". It's just exemplary for your hypocritical self-rightousness. You could go over there and try to start a sensible discussion, but you prefer to call them "loons" from a distance.

Yeah, I get sick of people labelling me just because I use amigaworld.net forums. Can anyone quote messages that prove I'm a "loon"? Hmm, you might be able to find some that prove I'm still new to AmigaOS programming , but a "loon".. come on.

[takemehomegrandma]

Generally speaking, to speak bad about your competitors is probably the worst thing you could do. It's so much better to focus on your own strenghts than on your competitors weakneses. There are numorous examples of this, both in business and in politics. If there is the slightest possibility/risc that what you are saying may be quoted in public, follow this rule. Even if the privacy is tight, follow it anyway!

[KennyR]

Rogue wrote:
It's great to see you call people with different opinions "loons". It's just exemplary for your hypocritical self-rightousness.

Lando said it better than I ever could. Hypocritical self-righteousness is pretty much a signature for AW, so you sure do have a nerve.

You could go over there and try to start a sensible discussion, but you prefer to call them "loons" from a distance.

I prefer to only visit places where other opinions rather than the official line are tolerated. Besides which, some AW forums are silly. Really, they are. AW can be simultaneously laughable and creepy. Creepy because nobody seems to challenge totally stupid posts - probably for fear of being labelled a troll. Anyway, what good would it do.

I mean, maybe if someone actually TRIED to ask Fleecy a MEANINGFUL question or looked constructively at Amiga matters, it might help - but there's no way to do that at AW. Its bubble of alternate reality is just maintained far too well.

This whole Nate Downes thing is just absolutely indicitive of the reputation AW now has - and has earned. I see they're busy setting him up as the next antichrist. Farewell to reality.

[z5]

Generally speaking, to speak bad about your competitors is probably the worst thing you could do. It's so much better to focus on your own strenghts than on your competitors weakneses. There are numorous examples of this, both in business and in politics. If there is the slightest possibility/risc that what you are saying may be quoted in public, follow this rule. Even if the privacy is tight, follow it anyway!

I must agree there 100%. And i have always wondered why MorphOS/Genesi ppl NEVER focus on their own strenghts. The only thing they do is try to ridicule the competition and the people interested in the competing product, even personally insulting them.

Frankly, i don't get this attitude. I really don't. Could it be that MorphOS really still is that weak that there is not much to boast about? Certainly seems that way if you look at what Genesi, BBRV and employees are doing.

With a different approach, i believe that they would have attracted a LOT more amiga users than they have now. In fact, this approach from BBRV and employees really is doing more damage than good. I hope they will realise that some day. And it definately is holding me back from buying what seems to be a very decent AmigaOS alternative.

[Rogue]

Lando said it better than I ever could. Hypocritical self-righteousness is pretty much a signature for AW, so you sure do have a nerve.

Regardless of what you might  think about the moderators or their style of moderation, it doesn't give you the right to call all that go there "loons", as much as it wouldn't give me the right to call all Morphos.net attendees "loons", which I never did.

Creepy because nobody seems to challenge totally stupid posts - probably for fear of being labelled a troll.

Yeah, "don't feed the trolls unless they speak in the opposite direction". Do you really think that this wouldn't happen on morphos-centered site? Be honest.

This whole Nate Downes thing is just absolutely indicitive of the reputation AW now has - and has earned. I see they're busy setting him up as the next antichrist. Farewell to reality.

If "that Nate Downes thing" is indicative for Aw.net, then your calling a general group of people "loons" just because they visit and frequent a certain web site is indicative of your kind.

So it all boils down to the reasoning "They are loons because I know they are"?  That is what I call self-rightiousness.