OUYA games console

[swoslover]

Seems interesting.

Just read about it today.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console?ref=card

[Tripitaka]

I've been following OUYA for a few weeks and it is an amazing success story so far. I wonder why we don't see more Amiga kickstarters TBH. The big advantage OUYA has had has been the names behind it, these people are well known in the industry.

[som99]

I put 155$ in the OUYA so I get an console + 2 gamepads, the biggest reason I want it it just to get Angstrom linux and XFCE running on it and hopfully get the pandora repo working on it and use it as a emulator machine for classic consoles/computers. Don't need it for XBMC since I got other devices for that.
Also I like to play around with ARM and getting a new toy to hack besides omap3x boards will be fun

[amiman99]

Hopefully this company will not become like this one http://www.phantom.net/products.html or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_Entertainment#The_Phantom_console . I used to invest in Phantom Entertainment (or Infinium Labs ) so they could create a new game system which enabled you to play PC games on home console.
So after many years they of research and development they came up with "Phantom Lapboard". :rolleyes:
I'll wait till is available.

[desiv]

Hopefully this company will not become like this one http://www.phantom.net/products.html .

A valid concern, but I doubt it, mostly because this is fairly standard hardware..
It's a fairly standard OS...

It's all about the packaging and distribution of the software (and the controller).

That and the people behind this are very well known in the industry..
So I have much more confidence that this product will be real..

I wish them luck...

I didn't pre-order, but I'm not a huge gamer (other than classic Amiga).  ;-)
Although, with XBMC and other options, I'll be keeping an eye open.. Might be a great multi-purpose set-top box...

desiv

[amiman99]

What is the legal consequence if they don't deliver?

[som99]

What is the legal consequence if they don't deliver?

Im no expert but I guess atleast fraud?
Getting many times the amount of cash they asked for and a quite cheep hardware, so I see no reason they would not be able to deliver atleast the first batch.

[desiv]

Getting many times the amount of cash they asked for and a quite cheep hardware, so I see no reason they would not be able to deliver atleast the first batch.

I agree..
Although it's an interesting question..
At some point in time, one of the BIG successes at Kickstarter is going to fail before delivery...  I don't think it will be Ouya, but it will happen..

It'll be interesting to see what happens when that happens...

desiv

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Hopefully this company will not become like this one http://www.phantom.net/products.html or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_Entertainment#The_Phantom_console . I used to invest in Phantom Entertainment (or Infinium Labs ) so they could create a new game system which enabled you to play PC games on home console.
So after many years they of research and development they came up with "Phantom Lapboard". :rolleyes:
I'll wait till is available.

Or the Indrema/Tuxbox

[som99]

I agree..
Although it's an interesting question..
At some point in time, one of the BIG successes at Kickstarter is going to fail before delivery...  I don't think it will be Ouya, but it will happen..

It'll be interesting to see what happens when that happens...

desiv

It sure will and I to would like to see the what happens then, if the OUYA was built on more complex/custom  hardware I would not have belived in it for a second but now they are taking a quite easy road and thats a smart move, the comercial sucess however is not as certain but we know they have to supply quite the amount of units to backers and well I will still have fun with the hardware whatever happens

[ChuckT]

What is the legal consequence if they don't deliver?

They don't have to refund your money.

http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=6¬e=47759

The reason I didn't order it is because they are still selling it on their website.  The first run will have bugs and glitches.  I can wait till the bugs are fixed.

The second reason is that I decided to be a producer instead of a consumer.  These cloud services are only going to cost you money to maintain when you can have a program saved on an SD card which it doesn't have.

[Tripitaka]

By using Kickstarter project creators are bound to their terms of service, including (and I quote):

Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill.

The question is, If they don't, are  kickstarter themselves are under any obligation to fix it? Or is it up to you to sue the project creator?

It's a very public way to screw up if a Project Creator does fail though, just avoid any projects started by anyone called DOOMY! You know it's wise.

[ChuckT]

By using Kickstarter project creators are bound to their terms of service, including (and I quote):

Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill.

And who and what army is going to enforce it?  Once the money is in the creator's Amazon account, Kickstarter has little that it can do.  A friend canceled his ebay bid before he set up payment and he/she made legal discrepencies (which were true) and do you think Ebay is going to send a lawyer to another state to pick on him/her?  The suit in court would cost more than he/she bid.  If you bid $100 and the creator doesn't deliver, are you going to drive to California to sue?  My friend drove to Florida (1200 miles) from here and it cost him $400 in gas both ways.

"Other products have been delayed or "failed" and I'll likely never see that money again."
http://www.imore.com/caveat-kickstarter-beware-what-you-back

If the creator goes broke or bankrupt, you can't get money from a stone.  If 40,000 chips are bad and if the creator doesn't have the money to replace them then you are tough out of luck.

[desiv]

 If you bid $100 and the creator doesn't deliver, are you going to drive to California to sue?  My friend drove to Florida (1200 miles) from here and it cost him $400 in gas both ways..

And that's what "class action" lawsuits are for....

desiv
Wow, that article was really bad..
The first article, the guy says beware (always good advice) and the he has invested in several products.  Yes, two of them are awesome, but others he's still waiting...
er..  Which ones?  He didn't say..  How long has he been waiting?  He didn't say..
Oh well, it's basically a blog with a quote from a PCMag article.
That article comes right out and says Ouya looks like a scam!  Wow!  Tough words..
Why?  Well, he never says...  Really, read it..   Terrible..
I'm not saying that caution isn't warranted..  It is, but those articles are terrible...

[som99]

If the creator goes broke or bankrupt, you can't get money from a stone.  If 40,000 chips are bad and if the creator doesn't have the money to replace them then you are tough out of luck.

Bankrupt? How unlikely is that when they got 9.5 million dollars? Ive seen more unlikely scenarios with small scale productions driven by communities make it happen with a lot less money and production of less then 4k custom OMAP boards.
It's not like no one will take action and file a class action lawsuit when we are talking that mount of money?

The the scenario that the yield of the majority of the SoC's will be dud is near impossible, TSMC is the worlds largest semiconductor manufacturer.
Sure I do not know what PCB manufacturer they will use but whom ever they use it's not like they are going to spit out 40K boards without prototypes or testing before shipping... A lot of tweaking and testing will be preformed even before they start making large quantities and when everything looks good they get the green light for mass production but it still takes time before they start spitting out boards at decent rates, a long process to get there so im not worried about that part either.