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Screen resize slowdown 80Mhz 060
« on: July 10, 2012, 04:27:13 AM »
I got my 80Mhz 060 back from Poland. It is quick as can be, but...

When ever I am in double scan mode or have another program like Ocamed ss open, the screen dragging process becomes slow and cumbersom.

Anyone know what causes this?
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Re: Screen resize slowdown 80Mhz 060
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2012, 10:46:55 PM »
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Re: Screen resize slowdown 80Mhz 060
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2012, 10:49:55 PM »
Need more info such as what Kickstart rev, what Amiga (A1200 I'm Guessing)

What Workbench?  (3.1/3.5/9) if Classic Workbench did you turn off some of the installed patches like CyberBugFix (Which seems to cause havok on my machines)

Lastly, are you using correct 060 Libs (Apollo/Blizzard)
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Re: Screen resize slowdown 80Mhz 060
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2012, 11:03:23 PM »
Sorry yes, first off I meant Window resize and not screen.

Secondly I am on a 1200, basic 3.1 install with the proper Apollo libs.

MCP and FBlit are the only additional Items I have loaded atm.
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Re: Screen resize slowdown 80Mhz 060
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2012, 11:30:59 PM »
It's probably a setting in MPC, you can try disabling some options but I'm not familiar with MPC.

Also the Apollo's can be funny cards with some software/apps, I'm thinking there may be more to setting up the Apollo 1260 then just adding the 060 libs, some kind of CPU command needed in the SS IIRC.

I don't have an Apollo 1260 yet though, I have these fun & games to look forward to!

Hope you figure it out.

Steve.
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Re: Screen resize slowdown 80Mhz 060
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2012, 11:42:00 PM »
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Sorry yes, first off I meant Window resize and not screen.

Secondly I am on a 1200, basic 3.1 install with the proper Apollo libs.

MCP and FBlit are the only additional Items I have loaded atm.


Although a beefy 060 will make mincemeat out of anything living in FastRAM, ChipRAM is still as slow and awful as ever and double scan modes really hammer the available bandwidth for graphical operations.
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Re: Screen resize slowdown 80Mhz 060
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2012, 12:08:32 AM »
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Although a beefy 060 will make mincemeat out of anything living in FastRAM, ChipRAM is still as slow and awful as ever and double scan modes really hammer the available bandwidth for graphical operations.


Ya, but with a basic 3.1 install it should not be acting like this.

I'm going to tinker with MCP when I get home.
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Re: Screen resize slowdown 80Mhz 060
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2012, 07:34:46 AM »
Double PAL/NTSC will use double chip bandwidth, so deeper screens (>16 colors) may become really slow, regardless of CPU speed.

Displaying a Double PAL (or Superhires) screen with 256 colors will use up ALL available bandwidth in the scanline. Any screen manipulation by CPU or blitter can only happen during the rather brief horizontal and vertical blanking periods.
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Re: Screen resize slowdown 80Mhz 060
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2012, 08:05:58 PM »
Totally and utterly resolved!!! And now I'm in Hi-res Laced NTSC as well!!!! :)

The primary solution was to install BlazeWCP, but here's a full list of my system related software set up for those who may venture into ultra 060 land them selves some day. ;)

Hardware:

 Amiga 1200
 Modified Apollo 68060 (done by Stachu)
 MIPS: 70.51
 MFLOPS: 39.66

Software:

 Workbench 3.1
 BlazeWCP
 MagellanII
 CMQ060
 FBlit
 MagicMenu
 MCP
 FullPalette
 HSMathLibs 060


Anything else anyone can suggest? So far, Quake aside, everything is running fast as hell!
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Re: Screen resize slowdown 80Mhz 060
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2012, 08:24:13 PM »
Can you do a correct speed test for us using SysSpeed?
70.51 MIPS looks like a sysinfo result which is way off the mark for an 060 @ 80MHz :)
http://aminet.net/package/util/moni/sspeed26

P.S. I get 87.5 MIPS approx on my Apollo 060/66.
(Just double checked)
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Re: Screen resize slowdown 80Mhz 060
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2012, 08:33:55 PM »
Not good!!!

I did use SysSpeed.
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Re: Screen resize slowdown 80Mhz 060
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2012, 09:34:20 PM »
Here is a video that Stachu shot before he mailed the board back to me:

http://youtu.be/zsHqXdH3r9Y

The MIPS are higher in it, I just now noticed.

Def not good. :/
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Re: Screen resize slowdown 80Mhz 060
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2012, 09:42:34 PM »
I would also recommend  Exec 44.1 and FText. The former will require REMApollo (or perhaps loadmodule) or a custom kickstart.

Another idea, ditch the Apollo CPU library and use the one from the MuLib package on Aminet. It works fantastic with the Apollo cards, plus there are lots of other included tools that can speed things up a bit.

-edit- And definitely use SysSpeed, SysInfo if a steaming pile of , even on '030.
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Re: Screen resize slowdown 80Mhz 060
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2012, 04:28:45 AM »
OK, so MCP and SYSPeed don't play well together.

With MCP I get the lower read out, without it I get:

MIPS: 104.27
MFLOPS: 42.05

Though without it BOOM runs like crap.

I presume MCP is working as it should and is only causing SYSPeed to produce an incorrect reading?

Here is the order in which our lord and savior Franko suggested for my startup-sequence:

Startup-Sequence order after setpatch:

C:Cmq060
C: blazeWCP
C:fblit
C:ftext
C:mcp

And I'm going to install patch control next.

BTW, my copy of Fblit must have been way out of date.

The archive I had was missing the GUI and Lib. Strange.
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Re: Screen resize slowdown 80Mhz 060
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2012, 05:09:21 AM »
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I got my 80Mhz 060 back from Poland. It is quick as can be, but...

When ever I am in double scan mode or have another program like Ocamed ss open, the screen dragging process becomes slow and cumbersom.

Anyone know what causes this?



If you had a Indivision MK2 or some other sort of flickerfixer. You could run in interlace mode which will be more than twice as fast. It is with Shapeshifter anyway... Interlace mode runs 1X mac quadra 950 speed where as multiscan mode runs about half that and seems to really drag...
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