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[commodorejohn]

And I can tell you with quite a bit of certainty that CommodoreJohn is certainly no linux fanboi

Damn straight. But that's another thread ;P

[psxphill]

What you're doing here is conflating neutrality and objectivity to imply that, because I have an opinion at all, my opinion is "biased" and therefore valueless. By this logic, the only person whose opinion should be taken seriously is the person with no opinion at all, and debate is inherently pointless.

No, you lack objectivity. I know that because your argument is flawed and only serves to back up your bias.
 
You're suggesting that you are entitled to an opinion that is provably wrong.

[commodorejohn]

No, you lack objectivity. I know that because your argument is flawed and only serves to back up your bias.
 
You're suggesting that you are entitled to an opinion that is provably wrong.

You keep saying that I'm wrong, but all I'm seeing, looking back over this thread, is you telling me that my predictions are wrong because they haven't come to pass yet. Well yes, that's why they're predictions and not statements of fact at present time. You may think they're highly improbable while I think the opposite, but there's no way to say that either of us is wrong on that count until we observe how things play out.

[TheBilgeRat]

I heart linux AND windows

How ya like them apples?

[partycentralpartygirl]

Microsoft has released a video in response to this amiga.org thread.

Here is the video:
http://youtu.be/IY2j_GPIqRA

[partycentralpartygirl]

I heart linux AND windows

How ya like them apples?

The only good Apple products had 6502's in them, and ran a Microsoft OS. Search your heart, you know it to be true.

-just sayin'

[runequester]

I heart linux AND windows

How ya like them apples?

Depends. Do YOU like them Apples?

[TheBilgeRat]

Depends. Do YOU like them Apples?

I like them all...

I am a hardware/software slut.

[bbond007]

I didn't notice any speed differences apart from Windows 8 booting a bit faster. The Task manager is sexy indeed, but it's not enough to make me pay for an upgrade.

I like the copy file dialog...

[psxphill]

You keep saying that I'm wrong, but all I'm seeing, looking back over this thread, is you telling me that my predictions are wrong because they haven't come to pass yet. Well yes, that's why they're predictions and not statements of fact at present time. You may think they're highly improbable while I think the opposite, but there's no way to say that either of us is wrong on that count until we observe how things play out.

Your opinions are however based on your provably wrong gems, such as:
 

The problem is that I'm not the one implying that - Microsoft is. They want everybody to move to Metro, whether on the desktop or on a tablet, and they want everybody to get their "apps" from the Windows Store so that they get a cut of it.

You justify every thing with "it's clear this is the way they are going", when to someone who is objective it's actually not clear at all. If you take what Microsoft have said at face value then you wouldn't be making these claims. If you're going to ignore what is here now & what Microsoft say about the future, then you deserve to be called on your paranoia.
 
Microsoft have just added an app store, it's not that big a deal. If they allowed desktop apps too then at least developers might sort out their installers.

[smerf]

Hi,

Well now,

Just like always the Amiga loonies are debating about one of the most awesome, powerful, great OS's in the world. Face it old billy gates and ballywick took a OS that was nothing and programmed it up to be 100 times more powerful then anything Amiga has done or will try to do in the future (AROS and MORPHOS, OS4.0/1. Their computers are totally awesome with some of the latest tech that you guys only wish you had, even apple is having a hard time keeping up with Microsoft and Intel.

So while you guys are arguing about how awesome morphos and aros are, and trying to play the original doom on your so called great OS's, I will be playing the new Doom 3, and the new Far Cry 3 on my new amazing machine, built by me, which has 8 cores, and graphic cards that can move a 640 x 400 pixel block as a sprite. Where gunshots sound real, graphics so real you think you can almost drink the water.
Yes, you all keep telling me how bad the PC with windows is, while I will just tell you that this is what Amiga should have been, but you all blew it by saying we want a PPC processor, which is a weak outdated piece of junk that might play the original doom.

Break down and buy a modern PC, with windows 7 at least and start enjoying playing great games again. By the way todays Macs are a step up over the original Amiga 1000.

Have Windows 8 and after getting used to its new config, it is head over heels anything you guys ever used.

Linux rocks and windows 7 rolls, but windows 8 just flies if you have a modern machine, and not something that is 10 years old.

Only words for you all -----> upgrade, upgrade, upgrade. Especially commodorejohn.

C64 just don't hang anymore and Microsoft wanting you to use the app store is just business, you know something Commodore (and probably commodorejohn) knew nothing about.

smerf

[commodorejohn]

Your opinions are however based on your provably wrong gems, such as:
 

The problem is that I'm not the one implying that - Microsoft  is. They want everybody to move to Metro, whether on the desktop or on a  tablet, and they want everybody to get their "apps" from the Windows  Store so that they get a cut of it.

That is my analysis of their behavior. It's quite possibly wrong (though I don't think so.) What it isn't, at this stage, is provably false. You keep acting as though saying "no, you're wrong!" is proof of same, and if I disagree then I'm just not objective enough, but that's not how it works.

 

You justify every thing with "it's clear this is the way they are going", when to someone who is objective it's actually not clear at all. If you take what Microsoft have said at face value then you wouldn't be making these claims. If you're going to ignore what is here now & what Microsoft say about the future, then you deserve to be called on your paranoia.

If I took Microsoft at their word, I'd believe that open-source software is a code virus, infringes on 235 patents and no you can't see them, and that Linux, which doesn't cost anything, has a higher total cost of ownership than Windows (secret hidden qualifier: as long as your Linux machine is a high-priced IBM mainframe.) And that's just getting into the things they say, let alone the untrustworthy things they've done.

Call it paranoia if you want, but just because Google is supplanting them as the favorite most-surreptitiously-sinister tech monopoly, it doesn't make them suddenly worthy of blind trust.

[Duce]

Many of the statements made about the doom and gloom about W8 ushering in some Big Brother scheme aren't just paranoid lunacy, but stuff easily proved 110% incorrect by anyone even remotely up to date on the status of the product.  Even if you are five years in the past regarding the modern computing era, you can see how silly this is.  The idea that MS would not allow people to run anything other than the store served apps would bankrupt them, since MS's main source of income is from Enterprise.  Enterprise has no time for bull**** like submitting their very close to the chest, highly private apps to anyone for "approval", much less MS.

It's depressing here when intelligent people don't actually go hands on with a product, and don't bother to actually read up on easily checked facts before yammering on like some old man on a rocking chair wielding a shotgun.

We can all get on the same page and bitch and moan about how W8, OSX, or whatever OS *IS NOT* an Amiga OS and therefore is useless, but at the end of the day, get hands on and for chrissakes actually read materials that aren't 2 years old on the matter before you smack talk.

MS has never asked anyone to "sign in" to MS services to use the OS, or tried to sell services upon install, and they never will.

I'm a MCSE/MCSA.  I hate Windows 8, so I am not about to pander to MS on this one, but at least *I* know why I dislike it  

[commodorejohn]

I don't know why I'm responding to a smerf post, but since he took the trouble to address part of it to me...

So while you guys are arguing about how awesome morphos and aros are, and trying to play the original doom on your so called great OS's, I will be playing the new Doom 3,

Doom 3 is a first-person science fiction horror video game developed by id Software and published by Activision. Doom 3 was first released for Microsoft Windows on August 3, 2004.

(emphasis mine)

(Also Doom 3 was thoroughly meh and had more gutless jump-scares than a PG slasher movie and less action than Zany Golf. Doesn't even come close to comparing to Doom and Doom II, let alone something like Quake.)

Yes, you all keep telling me how bad the PC with windows is, while I will just tell you that this is what Amiga should have been, but you all blew it by saying we want a PPC processor, which is a weak outdated piece of junk that might play the original doom.

Evidently you haven't really ever actually looked at any information on these architectures. PPC was competitive with x86 throughout the entirety of its Mac run, and depending on who you ask often even had an edge over it. 'Smatter of fact, the PowerBook G4 (1GHz TiBook) I'm typing this reply on right now is fully capable of running a modern web browser (TenFourFox 9) at a satisfactory clip, plays back low-def video without issue, and is just shy of meeting the recommended system requirements for your beloved Doom 3 - and it's not even one of the high-end models!

The only reason Apple even abandoned PPC in the first place was that IBM and Motorola kept dropping the ball on providing a steady upgrade path on a reliable timeframe - and even after they left, it's still remained a strong performer in non-PC markets, including consoles like the XBox 360, where - guess what - Doom 3 also runs.

Only words for you all -----> upgrade, upgrade, upgrade. Especially commodorejohn.

Why? My Core 2 Duo laptop running XP does everything I need, handles all my VSTs, runs all the games I want to play, short of Oblivion (which my P4 gaming rig - also running XP - handles with aplomb,) and employs a UI with which I am familiar from seven years of using Win95/98 and eight years of using XP, and which hasn't been unnecessarily mucked around with to justify the UI department's budget for the year. What would upgrading get me that I need but don't already have, and how would it justify the pain that I'd go through acclimating myself to the needless changes?

Microsoft wanting you to use the app store is just business, you know something Commodore (and probably commodorejohn) knew nothing about.

And once again the "that's just business" line gets trotted out. Hint: just because something makes sense from a business standpoint does not make it good for anybody but the business in question. Are Microsoft within their rights to do this? Probably (leaving aside questions of monopolies for another discussion.) Does that make it any good for me or any other Windows user, or the developers who are now going to have to fork out to Microsoft just to be able to distribute their software? NO.

[Thorham]

Only words for you all -----> upgrade, upgrade, upgrade.

Dude, most Amiga users have fast PCs.

[partycentralpartygirl]

Dude, most Amiga users have fast PCs.

Just finished building a new gaming PC for my kid. He knows that consoles are for peasants and that PC gaming is for the master race of gamers.

It's funny because my 7 year old has the fastest rig in the house by far. :laughing: