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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
« Reply #89 from previous page: June 25, 2012, 11:04:53 PM »
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Oh boy so instead of buying a 200$ netbook running windows or linux you'll get to buy a netbook running os4 for probably 5 times that price.

I just paid $2000 for a PC laptop a couple days ago. And that's AFTER a student discount of about $500.

I thought we were directed to expect the netbook to be about $500... I'd happily pay that. but what's any of this have to do with Hans's drivers?
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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
« Reply #90 on: June 25, 2012, 11:05:37 PM »
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I dont remember so much fuss about paying for api/drivers in the past.  Cybergrpahix, piccasso etc

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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
« Reply #91 on: June 25, 2012, 11:16:13 PM »
Looks like this Storm in a teacup is over. :)

http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news
 

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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
« Reply #92 on: June 25, 2012, 11:25:37 PM »
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When I say used Macs make OS look dead I mean there can be no promo of new system that will appear as news, and no such bundled promo in today capitalism driven system means no existance at all. Off course those who really want it will find the way to MorphOS, but remember how better MOS was doing when it had Genesi and Pegasos and Efika boards.


there is something in that statement alas. this or new advertisement strategies have to be invented.
 

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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
« Reply #93 on: June 25, 2012, 11:44:14 PM »
@vox

This is the second (or third?) confused post about MorphOS from you in this thread!

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but remember how better MOS was doing when it had Genesi and Pegasos and Efika boards.

Hmm, yeah right...

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So after a quick reality check: Better HW availability has been positive for MorphOS, lower price has been positive for MorphOS, better bang for the buck has been positive for MorphOS, in short: the Mainstream path was positive for MorphOS, not negative! It would have been positive for OS4 as well, but OS4 has chosen to go 180 degrees in the opposite direction: poor HW availability, ridiculous prices, and terrible bang for the buck ratio. MorphOS HW beats A1X1K in performance (or is on par), MorphOS has the ultra small yet powerful Mac Mini, the practically for free e-mac, the expandable and cheap PowerMac, and now the most powerful PPC laptops ever made. MorphOS has truly made the most out of the dying PPC platform. And throughout the last 3 years MorphOS has had almost 1 new registration *every day* on average, which simply *wouldn't have been possible* on Pegasos and Efika. So I'm honestly puzzled why you are so convinced that MorphOS is "suffering" from the Mac route, while OS4 would be "prospering" on Sam and A1X1K?
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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
« Reply #94 on: June 25, 2012, 11:53:08 PM »
@takemehomegrandma

You really have too much time on your hands.

No, really! ;)

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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
« Reply #95 on: June 25, 2012, 11:55:03 PM »
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Looks like this Storm in a teacup is over. :)

http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news


Indeed! :)

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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
« Reply #96 on: June 26, 2012, 12:12:56 AM »
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Looks like this Storm in a teacup is over. :)

http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news


The decent thing to do! :)

This should have been done from the beginning, and Piru was right (again), this whole matter could have been handled better to avoid the unnecessary confusion.
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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
« Reply #97 on: June 26, 2012, 12:21:09 AM »
I guess one has to blame CBM for creating a culture of users expect the Amiga to follow the fundamentals of the Commodore 64/128 - one version of Basic (OS) throughout the products life.
 
 
This was clearly demonstrated by the amount of users who used to complain to Amiga magazines for not being able to use coverdisks designed exclusively for KS 2.x + or programs using more than 1MB of RAM.
 
 
If you want to use Amiga 4.x software/hardware it is going to cost. Programming takes time and programmers deserve to be compensated for their effort. The alternative is to stick to your stock Amiga 500 running KS 1.2/1.3.
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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
« Reply #98 on: June 26, 2012, 12:24:35 AM »
I think it's funny when people complain no one is investing in the Amiga community but when someone does they complain. Damned if you do and damned if you don't   :whack:
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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
« Reply #99 on: June 26, 2012, 01:37:48 AM »
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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
« Reply #100 on: June 26, 2012, 01:59:02 AM »
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Link?

The only quote I have is from Amiwest 2011:



How do you get from "introduced" to "released"?

Link?

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Oh did I forget this:

 

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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
« Reply #101 on: June 26, 2012, 08:17:55 AM »
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No overlay??? In 2012? Really?

IMHO overlay is a very basic feature much more important than 3d support.


It's 2012. Overlays are pretty much obsolete - the chances are the feature you are thinking of is emulated on your graphics card using 3D support anyway. Let's see why:

Overlay: separate display region with independent colour format and resolution from main framebuffer, intended for the display of video streams.

+ No software YUV <-> RGB conversion necessary
+ No software scaling/filtering necessary

These were definite boons back in the 90's, but there are drawbacks too

- Generally only one overlay available on supported hardware
- Overlay typically occludes framebuffer and can't be part of any graphics pipeline or windowing architecture. It's basically "on top" or not at all.
- Limited video processing available, usually only colour properties can be adjusted.

The alternative to this is video texturing, where a YUV video stream is applied as a texture map to a rectangle primitive.

+ No software YUV <-> RGB conversion necessary
+ No software scaling/filtering necessary

So far just as good as an overlay, but there's more:

+ As many concurrent video streams as bus bandwidth / texel fillrate allows
+ Render target is a bitmap, can be used as part of any graphics pipeline or windowing architecture. Does not float above framebuffer and is compatible with both traditional and compositing windowing methods.
+ 2D/3D transformations possible
+ Shader postprocessing possible (on hardware that has them, which in 2012 is everything), virtually limitless potential for colour correction, sharpening, deblocking, deinterlacing, wacky artistic effects etc.

On my linux box, my nvidia card can handle many video streams at once, rendering them via this method and I can still do all the silly compiz zoom, 3D rotating box and other nonsense with no loss in speed while the video continues to render smoothly in each window.

It's not even a new idea. The Permedia2 doesn't have a dedicated overlay, instead supporting YUV textures. Due to the lack of fill rate (and on the Amiga, slow buses), you are pretty much restricted to one or two streams.

I really don't think you are missing much if you don't have a genuine overlay on anything like the HD4xxx series or above but you can leverage the 3D hardware instead.
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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
« Reply #102 on: June 26, 2012, 09:10:05 AM »
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Hyperion is still here and will be releasing a netbook that runs OS4 any day now. No word yet on whether that netbook includes drivers but none have been explicitly promised, so there.


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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
« Reply #103 on: June 26, 2012, 09:28:12 AM »
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t's not even a new idea. The Permedia2 doesn't have a dedicated overlay, instead supporting YUV textures. Due to the lack of fill rate (and on the Amiga, slow buses), you are pretty much restricted to one or two streams.

I really don't think you are missing much if you don't have a genuine overlay on anything like the HD4xxx series or above but you can leverage the 3D hardware instead.


Yeah, that is how overlay is supported on BVision but it still doesnt give overlay support to current Radeon HD drivers. My car could be a UFO if it had wings.
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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
« Reply #104 on: June 26, 2012, 10:45:21 AM »
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Yeah, that is how overlay is supported on BVision but it still doesnt give overlay support to current Radeon HD drivers. My car could be a UFO if it had wings.

Think you are missing the point there
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