Warpengine 4040 in a 3000D

[chfriend]

Next dumb question.   How hard is it to fit a Warpengine 4040 into an A3000D?  Does it require massive case hacks?  Is it worth it or should I hold out for a 3040 that will fit?

[Terse]

Next dumb question.   How hard is it to fit a Warpengine 4040 into an A3000D?  Does it require massive case hacks?  Is it worth it or should I hold out for a 3040 that will fit?

I had one years back.  If memory serves, you either have to disable the card's onboard SCSI as it triggers a bug on the 3000's motherboard, or run an optional line from one part of the Amiga 3000 board to a jumper or pad on the card.

It does work on the 3000D, but both the RAM in the sockets and the fan on the heat sink have to be as short as you can find,, and even then you may run a small risk of bumping up against the steel chassis that hold the disk drives.  It's really fast.  About as fast as it gets without a 68060 or PPC board.

[Zac67]

Accelerator SCSI always requires running the INT2 signal from a CIA (or wherever it's present) to the CPU slot as it isn't present on the 3000 yet. Actually it's not a bug, rather a later pinout change.

[chfriend]

I know about the INT2 jumper needed for the SCSI controller (I believe the Warpengine 3040 came with a push clip to grab the signal from the CIA chip (not the best solution, but easy).

So my understanding is the 4040 will fit as long as I use low profile simm's and a low profile heatsink?  Otherwise I have to cutout part of the drive sled.  Anyone know how much clearance I have for the heatsink and simm's?

[desantii]

I used one in my 3000, had to cut the drive sled as it was brutally hot in there. I would recommend the 3040 version

[chfriend]

Do you have a photo of how bad you have to cut the drive cage?

[matt3k]

Bad idea to put the 4040 in, you will have to hack the tray by cutting good sized square that i would guess is about a 3x4 inch above the cpu slot and under the floppy.  I imagine the floppy drive won't be able to be properly mounted.  

3040's fit perfectly.  They seem to be much rarer then the 4040, and harder to find But they are designed for the 3000D.

I have a WE 3040, and it is the best engineered accelerator for the 3000 I have come across.  For anything other than heavy math, it was faster in day to day usage than my CS MK II 060@50.  I bet you will pay close to a CS MKIII for a WE3040, but if you can find one I would buy it on the spot.  

My advice look for a CS MK III or a WE 3040 for a 3000D.  I did see a mercury board on Ebay awhile ago.  That would be a good third or forth choice.  It doesn't have Fast SCSI like the WE 3040 and CS MK III but, it fits without destroying the 3000D.  The CS MK II, is ok also, you can't add the SCSI module, and really it isn't as nice as the others IMHO, but they seem to be more available.

For a few hundred more dollars, you buy something that is designed to fit and will not provide lots of grief and give a great experience in usage.  If you have lots of spare time and are on a tight budget going with something else may work out for you, in the end it is always lots more work and headaches than anticipated, so in my old age I just count my pennies and buy the best option...

[magnetic]

Do yourself a favour and dont try to use this board in your A3k. As seen in the thread its very problematic. There are reasons they designed a Warp specific to the A3k..

[chfriend]

I grabbed the 3040.

[magnetic]

Wow where did you find it? They are pretty rare!

[chfriend]

Will leaving the 12MB worth of ZIP's I have in the 3000 hurt performance once I get the accelerator installed?  I'm not sure how memory is mapped when an accelerator is involved.

[magnetic]

afaik no. I think thats only the a4k desktop that is a problem for.

[matt3k]

I grabbed the 3040.

Congrats, they are very hard to come by!  

Enjoy the speed, your 3000 will feel like a totally different and brand new system.

Be sure to use the 040 lib that comes with the warp engine.  

I pulled the zip memory when I put the card in so I don't know.  If you have the latest DMAC and Ramsey you may have better luck, I don't remember the details.  Search for it and it will be on the web somewhere...

Enjoy.

[Heiroglyph]

Actually now that I think about it, I don't think it's compatible with static column zips or something like that.

You should grab the manual and make sure:  http://bboah.claunia.com/warp3040.html

If you should change your mind, let me know before it ships out.

[chfriend]

I have one bank of static column zip's, but it's setup to run in page mode since the other two banks are page mode (Bank 0 & 1 are page, bank 2 is SC).  I'm assuming that problem only crops up if Ramsey is in static column mode.