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Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2012, 06:48:49 PM »
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Barry : LEO! They found out our vic slim is just another existing all in one keyboard imported from asia with our stickers attached!



afaik, that's the first model they've rebranded from Commodore to Amiga. No idea if that's the plan for the others, but the current references by Barry are to "Amiga Mini" and "Amiga MIO", without the "C" word.

Way off-topic...the long gone Amiga.com shop page is back up. Maybe it's just me, but I would think it would make more sense to have something to list before putting up such a page...

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Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2012, 07:55:08 PM »
I don't really care what Commodore USA does. I also think the C64X was a decent idea, and I might even buy a 1000X case if it looked just like a real A1000. What boggles my mind is reading the comments in that thread in that forum. People actually exist that anxiously await news of this generic case that has nothing to do with an Amiga?! Eek.
 

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Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2012, 08:24:22 PM »
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_VicSlim.aspx

Still shows as commodore branded on their website. I suppose if the legal nightmare continues, they don't even actually have the right to use the commodore logo, or call their company commodore anything....

I would think thats a big deal and deserves some clarification or comment from them, but I guess they'd rather people didn't know.

As for amiga.com Silly Billy just sold a few tablets with amiga stickers so he could still claim they have amiga branded products. This way, they can continue to claim ownership and trademark rights to the name and licence the name to anyone with a couple of bucks.

I hope eventually all the grave robbers run of out money or schemes so anyone can make amiga branded products or use the logo.
 

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Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2012, 08:52:05 PM »
Hi,

I actually like the look of the case, it is excellent.

Why don't we all just change the name of this site to mini MAC, since you are all impressed by an old discarded thing like a G4 mini Mac. I don't hear one of you complaining that oh we are using an old obsolete MAC to pretend that it is an Amiga.
At least the new case by CUSA has Amiga on it and not MAC.

By the way in MaximumPC (a famous PC mag for those that don't know) Gordon Mah Ung the deputy editor tells you how to soup up one of C64X's made by CUSA, yes all you old obsolete Mac fanatics, he is speeding up a C64X by buying NEW MODERN DAY PARTS TO PUT IN THE C64X. Can you guys come up with something to speed up that old obsolete mini mac, you know the one even Apple ditched. Just think if they took a great OS like MorphOS and made it run on PC boards, you to could have an ultra fast system instead of a slow, no go (especially for video) modern day OS. But Amiga people instead of taking the Bull by the horns, always go for the bulls hind legs, and you know what you get when you do that don't you know Bull manure (BS) .

I love it.

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even CUSA's C64X runs video smoothly. But Gordon Mah Ung,s really makes it run smooth. I wonder if the C64 emulator will outdo that old obsolete G4 mini mac.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2012, 08:53:13 PM by smerf »
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Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2012, 09:04:08 PM »
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Why don't we all just change the name of this site to mini MAC, since you are all impressed by an old discarded thing like a G4 mini Mac. I don't hear one of you complaining that oh we are using an old obsolete MAC to pretend that it is an Amiga.
That's because Apple hasn't spammed Amiga forums declaring themselves to be the True Unquestionable Future of the Amiga (tm)(r) and insulting anyone who dares disagree. PowerPC Macs are just as much of a cast-off orphan platform as the Amiga itself, at this point.
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Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2012, 09:34:03 PM »
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That's because Apple hasn't spammed Amiga forums declaring themselves to be the True Unquestionable Future of the Amiga (tm)(r) and insulting anyone who dares disagree. PowerPC Macs are just as much of a cast-off orphan platform as the Amiga itself, at this point.


Hi,

Why would Apple want to spam the Amiga forums, they don't think in terms of hundreds of people, they think in terms of thousands or millions, the 1200 people they have at Amiga.org is probably their daily returns, (old mini macs).

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Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2012, 09:46:45 PM »
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Why would Apple want to spam the Amiga forums, they don't think in terms of hundreds of people, they think in terms of thousands or millions, the 1200 people they have at Amiga.org is probably their daily returns, (old mini macs).
Well, that's basically the point, isn't it? Apple couldn't care less about MorphOS users ('smatter of fact, they'd probably be less upset about them than they would be about the people who are still using MacOS on PPC Macs, as there's no way MorphOS users could be construed as lost sales for x86 Macs the way PPC OS9/OSX users could if you look at it cockeyed enough.) So they continue on not giving a tinker's damn, and MOS users keep doing their thing, and nobody is the slightest bit upset about it, save for you.

CUSA, on the other hand, doesn't have any market but retrocomputing enthusiasts (oh wait, I forgot, there's those tens of thousands of Wal-Mart sales that are probably coming Real Soon Now,) so they spent years spamming Amiga forums to try to convince people that they are the True Future of the Amiga (and for "try to convince," read "declare insistently and verbally abuse dissenters and holdouts.") And naturally, people were a little upset about that.

And that, to answer your question, is why nobody complains about Apple the way they do about CUSA: Apple hasn't given us (personally) anything to complain about, because they don't care or probably even know.
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Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2012, 09:55:14 PM »
Hi,
Guess that leaves me out, only one thing I hate worse than Apple is Wally World, I refuse to shop there until they start treating their people right, increase their workers pay so they don't have to work two jobs just to exist. It's funny that Wal Mart who has 8 people in the top 25 richest people in the world pays the lowest. So if we go by my rules, CUSA should go bankrupt in 3 days trying to sell at Wal Mart.

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Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2012, 10:32:52 PM »
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I don't really care what Commodore USA does. I also think the C64X was a decent idea, and I might even buy a 1000X case if it looked just like a real A1000. What boggles my mind is reading the comments in that thread in that forum. People actually exist that anxiously await news of this generic case that has nothing to do with an Amiga?! Eek.


Hi,

Well now, I would buy an empty case if the price was right, but, if it is tooo high I would leave it alone, I like the look of the case, but the insides, cheapest of the cheap junk, I would use what MaximumPC used to fill their modern day looking case, load up Amiga Forever on Windows 8 and be as happy as a smerf stuck in a mushroom.

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Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2012, 10:51:27 PM »
I agree.  If they had just set out to reproduce classic computer cases for modern mobos from the outset instead of faking a non-existent product they`d be a lot more popular.  Who wouldn`t want a mini-itx a1200 case?
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Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2012, 03:42:35 AM »
@Smerf. I just realised i can't remember the last time you said anything positive. Is there anything you like?  :confused:

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Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2012, 04:52:05 AM »
MorphOS is in so many ways just like amiga os.

COS is in so many ways NOT like amiga OS, and required about 2 nights to develop verses years and years of hard work MorphOS took, regardless of what hardware it runs on.

Hard not to respect guys who busted their ass writing code for years and years more than someone who stuck an amiga sticker on a bog standard pc and did a commodore theme on mint linux.

Pardon us idiots for seeing the difference.
 

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Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2012, 05:25:08 AM »
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Case looks to be a Wesena E5 case, with the Commodore badge covering the Wesena logo.

http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/7/3/e5

Can be found for under a hundred bucks via a few sources.


Nice find.  :)

I guess the "keyboard garage" they mention is 4 stick-on feet to raise the thing high enough to slide the keyboard under.

Scan their "partners" list for a local company that provides the "Amiga" etching.  Using a simple stencil, it shouldn't take long.

I do like the aluminium case look though.  It would be a nice addition to a Home Theatre setup, but I'd like a bigger one that could take more expansion cards, drives, etc.

Note the un-sold C64x units in the background... or petrhaps they've been returned for repairs.  Still no signs of any actual "workers".
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Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2012, 05:32:38 AM »
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I don't really care what Commodore USA does. I also think the C64X was a decent idea, and I might even buy a 1000X case if it looked just like a real A1000. What boggles my mind is reading the comments in that thread in that forum. People actually exist that anxiously await news of this generic case that has nothing to do with an Amiga?! Eek.


I like this comment from the CTO:

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We will have no problems with mass producing these cases.
Mostly everything will get done at the factory.
 It's just the initial batch that haven't.


Obviously has a little trouble understanding the difference between "rebadging" and "producing".  He's right though, everything apart from the Commodore sticker and the Amiga etching is being done at someone else's factory.  :)
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Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2012, 05:49:50 AM »
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I think it would have been better to faithfully reproduce the A1000 case and keyboard. Then they could have offered just the case/keyboard combo. That way retro enthusiasts would have something to tinker with, and anyone who wanted a genuine CUSA full blown computer could buy an entire system.


I think that now the truth is out and we know they're simply a "corner shop with a web-page" that there is obviously no money left to design and manufacture yet another case and keyboard from scratch.

There's no way of knowing how many C64x cases were manufactured and sold, but from the picture of the 1000x there's at least 3 left.  I'll guess that sales fell way below expectations and no additional production runs were made.  So, from a financial point of view it makes perfect sense to look for an off-the-shelf design and in this day an age there is probably just about every sort of desktop shape, size and colour available on the market.  What really matters is what they put inside the machine and past experience unfortunately suggests that it will be under-powered and over-priced.  If they do decide to do a kick-ass configuration then the price will probably make your eyes water.

The target market still seems to be the Linux user with more money than sense, an inability to build his own system and who used to be an ex-Amiga user.

That seems to be a hell of a limited market and I'm willing to bet that any Linux user who likes this case is more likely to buy a Wesena case, install his own motherboard and do his own engraving.

I'm guessing that the "franchise" option is their only hope for revenue and for that they need to convince people they have some products and designs to sell (even if they can't actually sell them).

and here's the Commodore Amiga 2000x:
http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/8/0/e6/459379660812a7fc501f12f8093bb520
« Last Edit: June 22, 2012, 05:52:31 AM by Darrin »
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Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
« Reply #44 from previous page: June 22, 2012, 06:01:54 AM »
Wish them the best of luck, even though I'm a critic of their methods.

Keeping amiga alive is tough.

Amiga however, is not linux, but maybe it should have been 10+ years ago.

Divided camps, no fucus. Its just an ideal now.

And nothing can live up to the past I think, when it really mattered.

(Sigh)